The Department of Homeland Security says it is illegal to freely play music in The United States.

By on July 20, 2013

Fact:
The Department of Homeland Security (An agency enacted through the Patriot Act) is now demanding through enforcement from The State Fire Marshalls that ALL LIVE MUSIC PLAYED IN THE UNITED STATES MUST HAVE A PERMIT FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY.

This is an outrage to freedom and the ideals of The American people and our quickly evaporating rights.

This is just the start to the reality of what The Department of Homeland Security is going to do to the American citizens. The DHS is actually saying it is illegal to play music or operate a business where music is played for any reason without paying The Department of Homeland Security, and giving them much personal and private information. If The DHS can regulate the performance of a song where do you think they will stop? The fact is they won’t!

The Department of Homeland Security does not have the jurisdiction to enforce laws in The United States. They have purposefully and misleadingly attached themselves to The Fire Marshall to circumvent American constitutional rights and automatically give themselves jurisdiction in every business in The United States. This is enforced through the Fire Marshall’s inspection of commercial public businesses.

Please stand with me, American Citizens everywhere, and business owners in demanding that we will not allow The Department of Homeland Security in our businesses and homes. We need all US Citizens and our elected officials to stand united against the unlawful abuses of The Department of Homeland Security and this increasingly fascist government. The Patriot Act is the only reason The Department of Homeland Security has any jurisdiction. This is intentional. This is the first bold and aggressive move by them. Please stand with us! Our children and grandchildren need us!

I and my business Folly Moon (a restaurant in downtown Muncie, IN) have a hearing with The Department of Homeland Security at The Indiana State House on Friday Aug. 2nd at 10a.m.

About Michael Martin

647 Comments

  1. Leah Alexander

    July 22, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    this is absolutely ridiculous, you have our support!

    • DEBBIE meacham

      July 26, 2013 at 3:40 pm

      THAT IS A CROCK MUSIC NEVER HURT ANYONE AND IN A LOT OF CASES IT MAKES PEOPLE’S LIVES BETTER YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT

      • robert torres

        July 27, 2013 at 2:00 am

        until you are trying to go sleep

        • Auriemma

          July 28, 2013 at 10:22 am

          YOU SUCK!

        • mr. headach

          July 28, 2013 at 3:03 pm

          you are so right—most people think of music–untill ya have to work the next day or boom box’s blowing your ears out with the crap noise they call music–my quite doesn’t infringe on there so called freedom why do i have to listen to there poor taste in crap–let {noise}freedom ring in your ears-

      • Jeff Coley

        July 30, 2013 at 1:27 am

        Music never hurt anyone? Tell that to the 96 people burned to death at the Great White concert in 2003!

        What would be worse: Burning to death,.or burning to death at a GREAT WHITE concert?

    • madeuce42

      July 26, 2013 at 4:27 pm

      to defend the constitution against all enemies both foreign and domestic, the present occupant of the white house is not a citizen of the US is foreign. He has thrown the constitution into the shredder and is selling us to the New World Order, WE are ruled by Political Whores. my apologies to working girls for the insult.

      • marcus

        July 26, 2013 at 7:00 pm

        ugh… ignorance speaks again 🙁 I guess the Chinese man down the street is an ENEMY too because hes foreign? and what do you mean not a citizen?! he has citizenship. he went to school in Hawaii… Please dont be a tool. get your facts together before spewing garbage.

        • Don

          July 26, 2013 at 7:50 pm

          Marcus, You are the one that needs to do your research and you will see that secretly he is not a citizen, that growing up he hated the U.S.A. because we were so prosperous. The mega wealthy men of the Aluminati groomed him and made sure he became President to destroy this country. Look at how our economy has been damaged.Open your eyes.

          • David

            July 26, 2013 at 8:22 pm

            Oh my gosh. I have never heard a bigger crock. Please take your racist conspiracy theories elsewhere, nobody wants to hear it. Also, if you’re going to spread lies, at least know proper grammar and know how to spell Illuminati. Seriously. He is a citizen. There is no way that he could have received a position in the government without one. You can’t even vote without a citizenship, so I’m not sure what idiotic part of your brain thought that little piece of crap up. Go away.

          • blub

            July 26, 2013 at 9:15 pm

            Patriot act was created during Bush/Cheney, They are citizens, what a nonsense is this crap about Obama not been a citizen, like it meters or like he is of any significance in a whole thing.

          • Drew

            July 26, 2013 at 9:16 pm

            You can’t even spell “Illuminati” correctly, yet you seem to think people are going to take your word as fact?

          • John

            July 26, 2013 at 9:39 pm

            Don, if you are going to argue about facts and knowledge, at least get Illuminati right. Also, please give us valid proof of your claims of the president. No, fox news will not work, I am sure you know why. Something else, why would anybody think of “destroying” the United States? What is the ultimate goal for that? Honestly, the international system is well interconnected with the United States and destroying this giant would only bring the rest of the world harm. If you say that it is to enslave us all or make us worker bees, then please, take a course in college in basic international relations and politics because that is nonsense. If you would like to prove me wrong, please by all means give me some valid proof.

          • Justice League of America

            July 26, 2013 at 10:14 pm

            Hahahahha, hahahahahhaa. HAHAHAHAHHA.

            The Internet is so great.

          • Missy

            July 26, 2013 at 11:32 pm

            Lol…Illuminati….if you learn how to spell you sound like you know what you’re talking about more often than if you don’t know how to spell the very garbage your touting. There is a nifty program called Spellcheck that can help the ignorant and illiterate. 🙂

          • S.M.

            July 27, 2013 at 1:15 am

            David,

            Obama is NOT eligible. http://www.theobamafile.com/obamanaturalborn.htm

            and http://libertasfound.org/2012/10/31/the-constitution-vattel-and-natural-born-citizen-what-our-framers-knew/

            Please take the TIME to read it. In short, the framers KNEW what a Natural born citizen was and where the term came from…Vatels Law of Nations. You must be BORN to two US citizens and Obama was NOT! So he doesn’t meet the actual criteria.

          • Upstate John

            July 27, 2013 at 1:51 am

            Yes – if only he would have spelt Illuminati correctly. THAT would have made his point valid. But since he didn’t? This obviously proves that he has no valid points to make. What an idiot! Or if, yes… if only the President would have pronounced Corps man properly. Yes. THEN he would have credibility! THEN we would listen to what he had to say! But if you can’t do these most basic of things correctly, then of course, all other credibility is destroyed. I mean, if you are the Commander of Chief of all armed forces… and you can’t pronounce Corps Man! Oh. In the words of Rosanna Anna Danna…. never mind!

          • Knights Templar

            July 27, 2013 at 5:21 am

            The Illuminati has slowly been losing power for years. Obama would not be in office if they wielded the control they once had.

          • Bob N

            July 27, 2013 at 5:35 am

            Obama is not an American citizen. He would have had to give up any citizenship he had when he became an Indonesian Citizen because they don’t allow duel citizenship. Since there is no record of him applying for U.S. Citizenship or to re-instate U.S. Citizenship, he is legally still an Indonesian Citizen, so it doesn’t matter where he was born.

          • Amanda

            July 27, 2013 at 5:35 am

            Wow, you’re a complete idiot… learn to spell and stop listening to Fox News.

          • wgalison@aol.com

            July 27, 2013 at 9:28 am

            Not being able to spell “Illuminati” indicates that Don learned this drivel from the radio.

          • Ray

            July 27, 2013 at 1:36 pm

            He is a citizen, just not a naturally born USA citizen. He WAS born in Kenya, too much proof out there to even TRY to deny this. He is a Muslim loving Socialist who wants to be King and he is intent on destroying this country. He wants to destroy our economy, make EVERYONE dependent on the Government. He uses executive orders to put in place anything he knows Congress will not approve. He’s involved in more scandals than Clinton, Bush, Nixon and the ENTIRE Kennedy family were combined. Those who support/voted for him, I want to thank you shitheads for ruining it for the ones of us who work our asses off for nothing other than to support the baby’s mommas, welfare/food stamp sponges who feel they are “owed” a living for something that happened almost 2 centuries ago. We cannot have a future if you won’t let go of the past.

          • doug

            July 27, 2013 at 1:52 pm

            the aluminati control all of our soda and beer cans….BEWARE!!!

          • Kim

            July 27, 2013 at 3:59 pm

            David,

            Since when do you have to be a citizen to vote? I live in Florida and on any given election day, I can go watch 1,000’s of illegals vote.

          • cableguy1763

            July 27, 2013 at 4:33 pm

            @missy was going to post the exact same thing, lmao

          • Haxxen

            July 27, 2013 at 6:32 pm

            Um. wow. many clueless people here. The Department of Homeland Security in question is the Indiana one. It is the umbrella under which the fire and building safety division is a part of. Nothing to do with Washington. Indiana has a law that says places that allow live music must have a permit. To get that permit, it looks like the owner of Folly Moon has to fill out paperwork on which he probably has to disclose some personal information. This only pertains in Indiana, not the whole of the US. For other information for the paranoid, BING it.

          • Chuck

            July 27, 2013 at 6:33 pm

            I don’t know if he’s a citizen or not- but I do know he’s spent almost 2M in legal fees to keep those records (college transcripts which may have “foreign student aid”) under wraps. I also know- without question- the birth certificate provided by the White House was a forgery (and a laughably bad one). How and why this could happen is the question…and it’s a big question. That he has spent almost 2M keeping records sealed and that the birth certificate is a poor forgery is a fact (Israel/Russia/German secret service all agree- as did Sheriff Joe’s team). Even my programmer laughed and said “it shows when each layer was created…it’s the worst forgery in history”. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9StxsFllY

          • piggypig

            July 28, 2013 at 12:23 am

            you even get your spelling wrong. it is suppose to be illuminati (which I am sure he is influenced by Dan Brown novel … which is a fictitious group based on an actual group that was suppressed and destroyed in the 1800s)

            It is sad when so many ignorant people are running around in USA sprouting such nonsense, when Obama, while flawed and imperfect like all of us, was million times better than Bush and his disastrous reign 😛 and has done much more good than harm. And even he faces the constraint of his time, political culture and system and most of all, prejudices.

          • Jozen

            July 28, 2013 at 2:40 am

            Stupidinati… how about that!!! So what if someone makes a spelling error. You think that if you dont that makes you right or perfect? And whether of not obumm-maker is from America or not, he is a lying sack of shit who consistently breaks his words. 2007 he promises us food labeling and 2009 he signs the mansanto act. His drone assassin program? DHS? IRS scandal? Fast and furious? Screw the faggotuminati, I wont spell their name right on purpose! Bunch of little bitch cowards hiding around in tombs jerking off to babies!!! Pedophile trash!!! Spell illuminati backwards into your web browser and add .com it takes you directly to the official NSA website. That is itanimulli.com and see for yourself (I already checked it). Music is free, I will beat the shit out of ANY corrupt law enforcer who tries to arrest me for playing music! It wouldnt be the first time I kicked cop ass! iz dis tu hart ta weed? NOTHING YOU OR ANYONE SAYS WILL MAKE ME COMPLY TO OBEDIENCE TO A LAW THAT SAYS I CANT PLAY MUSIC FREELY! NOTHING! ZILCH! IF ANYONE EVEN SUGGESTED THAT TO MY FACE I MIGHT VERY WELL BREAK THEIR NOSE AND KNOCK THEIR TEETH OUT!!! DONT EVEN DARE SUGGEST SUCH INSIDIOUS FOULNESS! DHS CAN GO TO HELL! I WILL NEVER OBEY THEM NEVER!!!

          • Ted

            July 28, 2013 at 4:33 am

            Don, you are both a bigot AND an idiot. First, if you are gong to spout nonsense, at least get the idiocy correct. It’s “Illuminati,” not Aluminati. Dolt. Secondly, the foreign-born thing has been repeatedly disproved. The bigot in you wants to continue your little delusional bigoted temper-tantrum, drowning out all reason or sensibility. Go away, you embarrass yourself by speaking and typing.

          • Ted

            July 28, 2013 at 4:36 am

            S.M.
            You are utterly and completely wrong. Learn to read. A grasp of grammar will make this easier as punctuation helps to clarify the meaning of writing. You clearly have no grasp of the language as you are absolutely wrong.

          • Ted

            July 28, 2013 at 4:39 am

            Ray==” He WAS born in Kenya, too much proof out there to even TRY to deny this” What is wrong with you? The PROOF is actually 100% the opposite. Good lord. I won’t just try to deny it. I’m here to tell you your 100% wrong. There is NO proof of what you say because it simply isn’t the truth. You’re a liar and a bigot. And it’s really that simple.

          • Auriemma

            July 28, 2013 at 10:23 am

            paranoid screwball 🙂

          • Phil McNutts

            July 28, 2013 at 6:24 pm

            Man, you are a genious. Ever thought about writing soap operas?

          • Chingatch

            July 28, 2013 at 11:38 pm

            Re: “Olluminati” spelling…

            AHA! By admitting there is a “correct” spelling, that implies that they DO EXIST! 😉

          • Chingatch

            July 28, 2013 at 11:40 pm

            Hey I made a funny…
            “O-Luminatti”
            Obama & his followers. 😉

          • Donna

            July 29, 2013 at 12:31 am

            Are you all so damn perfect?? im not perfect my spelling isn’t perfect yet you are judging a person because he misspelled a word! Our so called president is not a citizen! he does not care about this country! does not and will not respect our flag!!! The man is a farce and should have been impeached long ago!!!!

        • Lilly

          July 26, 2013 at 8:25 pm

          You obviously don’t research anything Marcus, you are the definition of a SHEEP

          • piggypig

            July 28, 2013 at 12:24 am

            So say that biggest tool of all who can only resort to name calling?

        • Trevor

          July 26, 2013 at 8:54 pm

          Marcus, your just retarded, plain and simple.

          • Gramma, not sea

            July 27, 2013 at 4:06 pm

            *you’re

          • L. C.

            July 28, 2013 at 3:00 pm

            Can we get back to the article? Whatever you believe about President Obama, the the DHS and Patriot Act are being used to take our freedom. We need to focus on fighting the injustice.

        • Tiamaria

          July 26, 2013 at 11:18 pm

          Marcus, Yeah… Hawaii, Kenya

          • GeekyGranny

            July 27, 2013 at 9:21 pm

            Don’t you mean DON???

        • fckMarcusandobliviouspeoplelikehim

          July 27, 2013 at 12:24 am

          marcus your a fucking idiot, do some research were all gonna be fucked, see you in a fema camp, ooh wait i wont cause im getting out

          • Marcus Gibson

            July 27, 2013 at 6:06 am

            Damn my name is marcus and after reading this i wish my adoptive parents would have kept the name rodney my boplogical mother gave me.

            You make me look bad

        • A Citizen

          July 27, 2013 at 4:13 am

          You’re the “tool,” Martin. There is slam dunk proof that clown put a forged birth certificate image on the whitehouse.gov web site.

          Just one
          http://reedwrite.com/

          http://www.carlgallups.com/zullo-affidavit.pdf

        • Sheila

          July 27, 2013 at 1:38 pm

          It has been proven that the birth certificate he
          showed, was a fake…It was analyzed by experts
          and proven to be photoshopped.

        • Marvin Mikesell

          July 27, 2013 at 6:00 pm

          Hello friends, the fact of the matter is there are only 4 requirements to become President of the United States, 1: you must be at least 35 years of age. 2: you must be elected by the electoral college (not the people who cast their votes at the pole as is commonly believed)3: you must have been a legal resident for at least fourteen Years (a Resident within the United States) and 4: you must be a natural born citizen (meaning born in the USA)
          Obama failed to prove that he meets the fourth qualification.
          This does not make him an enemy of the U.S.A. Just shows that if you are good at creating a smoke screen and accusing people of racism and bigotry then you too can become POTUS without actually meeting the requirements.
          Personally I’m hoping the nest president is 22, female and smoking hot with a law degree from Harvard and a business degree from Stanford.

          • K Watts

            July 28, 2013 at 11:57 pm

            Age and Citizenship requirements – US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

            “No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

            Term limit amendment – US Constitution, Amendment XXII, Section 1 – ratified February 27, 1951

            No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. ”

            And isn’t he a constitutional lawyer?!?!?

        • american

          July 27, 2013 at 6:42 pm

          I have seen three videos PROVING he was not born in the US. In one, he admitted it.

        • Chippy55

          July 27, 2013 at 11:27 pm

          The Cold Case Posse has irrefutably proven that the birth certificate and draft card are phonies. Period. Undeniably.
          Tell me, how much do you about Obama? Other than he was a drug dealer in high school to which he openly admits in his book, lol. It’s not “his” book either because forensic document examiners have ascertained with 99% probability that it was written by Bill Ayers, his buddy and homegrown domestic terrorist who bombed the Gulf Building in downtown Pittsburgh, police stations in New York and he Pentagon. And how do you know that Ayers is down bombing, after all the Unabomber took a sabbatical for several years before resuming his terrorist campaign.
          How much do you know of Obama’s family? That his parents and step dad were all Communists? That his father was deported for being illegal, his Aunt was given a stay of deportation by a Liberal bleeding heart Judge and his Uncle eluded capture for 43 years for deportation until a DUI, crashing into a police car, caused him to be arrested. And Obama intervened illegally in the case and it was postponed until December when Bostonians will simply shrug their Liberal shoulders and say, “Gee Judge, let him stay here, who cares if he’s a scofflaw, it’s Christmas time”.
          are you aware there’s 3 dead homosexuals in Chicago and the mother of one is blaming Obama?

          • Ian MacLeod

            July 29, 2013 at 11:59 am

            Obama also has THREE social Security cards; none are his… He’s using one now as President.
            He is NOT a “natural born citizen”.
            He IS – or was – a likely CIA asset.
            He has broken essentially every promise he made the American people.
            Washington D.C. is a)NOT part of America, b)a for-profit corporation (look it up in Dunn and Bradstreet) c)It’s authority legally ONLY extends to the ten miles on a side District of Columbia. It is NOT the legitimate government of the United States, and Barry is being backed by the “bloodline ‘elites'” – the owners of the Fed.

            Barry – or whatever his real name is – has been pushing the New World Order, most especially including the Agenda 21 “Depopulation Agenda’. Look up contents of Chemtrails and their effects; look up the effects of GMOs (include death, sterility). The food supply has been deliberately drastically reduced and contaminated with various toxins and GMOs. So have the drastically reduced water tables, and collecting and using rainwater that falls on your property is becoming illegal all over the country.

            Foreign agent or not, he is ineligible for the Office of President. He is NOT the legitimate President anyway; he is the CEO of the UNITED STATES, INC. His mission has been to destroy the economy, the monetary system and the laws of America and to bring it into the New World Order as a possession of the U.N. , then finish what the “elites” call “the Great Culling” of 90% of the world’s population. ALL OF THIS IS VERIFIABLE, YOU ILLITERATE CHUMPS! You’d better start reading! A man’s or a woman’s spelling does NOT affect the veracity of what that person has to say!

            Ian

          • Kit Craig Crider

            July 28, 2013 at 12:04 pm

            Yeah, it’s Bush’s fault, it’s Bush’s fault. BUSH ISN’T PRESIDENT ANY MORE!

        • Dagwat

          July 28, 2013 at 2:32 am

          Marcus; YOU are the idiot! obama is NOT a US citizen. He uses 9 social security number none of which were issued to him by our government. His “birth certificate” has been legally proven to be FAKE, he will not release his college records because they show he received financial aid as a foreign student and also contain his birth certificate from KENYA! He went to school in INDONESIA. Please don’t be a tool. get your facts together before spewing garbage.

          • Dawg

            July 29, 2013 at 9:39 pm

            Good lord, the loonie-toons are out today! LOL Jeezus. He WON the election fair and square not once, but twice! Get over it already and stop making yourselves look like total imbeciles repeating this treasonous bullshit about your president.

        • Vern

          July 28, 2013 at 6:28 am

          If you believe that crap Dagwat. You are the bkiggest idiot I know

        • JMC

          July 28, 2013 at 2:11 pm

          Marcus….YOU are a CLUELESS FOOL. Educate yourself as to what Barry is doing to the American people. You think YOU will be the exception when Martial Law begins. YOU MORON. Ugh….I can’t believe there are still clueless people out there. Obama is the BIGGEST HOAX to ever be perpetrated on the American people, and fools like you fell for it.

        • David

          July 29, 2013 at 3:31 pm

          There’s a BIG difference from the Chinese man living down the street and the FRAUD infesting the White House. And you’re a complete MORON to even attempt at comparing the two.

      • Tech Support

        July 26, 2013 at 7:42 pm

        Don’t start with the Obama isn’t an American crap!! This BS is bigger than him and was started before he was in office. NO one gave a rats (expletive deleted) when former POTUS started us down this road so don’t lay the blame squarely in his lap. BTW I am NOT some blind supporter of Obama!

        • Tory

          July 27, 2013 at 12:10 am

          Where is your corroboration that he is a citizen? The birth certificate is obviously questionable, for a number of reasons, and he has aggressively and at great cost fought against the release of any other kind of documentation that would be considered proof. For instance, information related to his college education would be a good alternative, proving that he he did not attend under foreign student status. You forget, he works FOR us, and if we, his employer insist on inarguable credentials, he really should defer to us.

          • joanmartha

            July 27, 2013 at 3:05 am

            Face it – nothing would work for “corroboration” in your world. The birth certificate which Hawaii officially gives to every person born in Hawaii won’t do for you, the fact that his grandparents (in some grand scheme thought up by the Illuminati back in 1960, no doubt) sent a birth notice to the local paper won’t do for you, the obvious fakery of the “foreign student” ID doesn’t faze you, and the threshold for the absolute proof you insist on will never be reachable. I’m sure you will keep watching Fox News and believing the tin foil hatters on the internet who churn out lies and hatred, but you really ought to open your eyes.

          • chip

            July 27, 2013 at 4:38 am

            And where is your corroboration that he is NOT a citizen? Perhaps you’re thinking of one of the three or four Kenyan birth certificates “uncovered” by Orly Taitz & her ilk? The people who so desperately wanted to “prove” that the president was foreign born that they manufactured the “proof”? The birth certificates that were so poorly counterfeited that they were all disproved within just a few hours by people searching online. One the one hand we have a Hawaiian certificate (even if it is a copy) that’s been authenticated by every official that matters. We have newspaper accounts. We have witnesses. On the other hand we have a handful of cheap, transparent fakes. And yet, you hate the man so much; for whatever reason, you’re willing to accept the exposed
            lies as truth because it conforms to what you wish to be true. I actually hope that he ISN’T a citizen. So that when it’s exposed after he leaves office it’ll show what incompetent idiots the Right has working for them that they couldn’t “expose” him even with false documentation.

          • Michelle

            July 27, 2013 at 8:40 am

            Everyone keeps forgetting one simple thing. To be counted as a natural born citizen you need to either be born on US soil or to a parent who is a citizen. Debate where he was born all you like. His mother is a US citizen. He meets the Damn qualification. This has been a stupid debate point since the beginning, and it’s a little late for it to do any good even if it could be proven he wasn’t qualified via birth to run.

          • Colleen

            July 28, 2013 at 2:26 am

            Great post!

        • Walter

          July 27, 2013 at 1:00 am

          This wasn’t provided as law of the original DHS and Patriot act. Obama DID campaign on abolishing the office. If you remember he said he did not think the US Government should be spying on it’s citizens. HA BS. From a well trained liar. BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA…. yes, well trained man of malice. Instead he INCREASED funding, and started immediately trampling on the rights of everyone considered an enemy… Note the IRS scandals. I bet you didn’t know the head of the IRS paid more visits to the white house than any other cabinet member… 40% more visits. Friends? Oh much more than friends. Partners in crime. I suspect this is being monitored so know you should all have a good politician in your circle of friends and a good lawyer.

        • S.M.

          July 27, 2013 at 3:15 am

          He is American if he was born in Hawaii….but you need to be a “NATURAL BORN CITIZEN” to be the president. He is not! Yes, his mom was an American citizen, his father WAS NOT. So he is not a product of 2 (TWO) American citizens at the time of his birth. Therefore, he is NOT eligible. Too many people don’t know what’s up and try to add their opinions in when the facts are what they are. Go find out what the framers based their term on! Vattles law of Nations! Too many people what to insert their opinions and ignore facts! Face it…the government is stupid!

        • Jack Perry

          July 27, 2013 at 5:13 am

          Obama is a dual-national of the United States, due to father is Kenyan citizen and mother is US Citizen at the time of his birth, however the Constitution requires that the POTUS be a natural-born citizen (Art II Sect 1 Clause 5) which where both parents at the time of birth are US Citizens. The father remained a citizen of Kenya to the death. As to the place of birth that is hotly contested. On the left we have that he was born in Hawaii, and everyone else claims its in Kenya, and on this side of the equation includes the government of Kenya that claims Barack Jr was born there and they have a birth certificate too.

          Natural-born citizen is effectively “at least second born citizen”; John Tyler was the first US President that was a natural-born citizen, the first nine presidents were US Citizens at the time of the ratification of the Constitution, also per Art II Sect 1 Clause 5. For Barack to qualify under this clause he would need to 225 years old. The Constitution was ratified by the needed number of states (9) on June 21, 1788.

          As to the claim of why hasn’t this mentioned before and him being elected twice and other apologies… it has, you just have been refusing to listen. Nothing here is new, and is widely available. The birthers are starting at the part of place of birth, however, if they start at the citizenship of the parents there is a better effort. For reference see Alexander Hamilton’s writings on natural-born and why it is necessary for this and only this office of POTUS.

        • Jamesben

          July 27, 2013 at 7:05 pm

          Fucktard – Obama’s “birth certificate” is CLEARLY a fake – anyone with a brain can see that – which explains why you can’t.

          He pimped himself as a “foreign student,” born in Kenya – blah, blah, blah. So what exactly is he LYING about?
          Being born in Kenya or born in Hawaii? Either way he’s a liar.

          As for the rest of you morons – while Bush signed the Patriot Act and reorganized the various departments that come under the D.H.S. umbrella – fucking Obama has TURNED THEM ON AMERICA – and away from our Muslim enemies. Wake up, fucking clowns.

          • Dawg

            July 29, 2013 at 9:42 pm

            Jamesben, you’re a total tool… seriously. MOVE to France… PLEASE!!

        • Aunt Jane

          July 28, 2013 at 3:31 am

          Forget Obama’s citizenship- or not.. Bush created DHS and Obama has put it on steroids! We need to clean house in Washington regardless of party!!! If they don’t follow and respect the rule of law kick their A** out!

        • Paul M. Murray

          July 28, 2013 at 12:51 pm

          When are You People going to realize that where He was born is irrelevant, That is all a distraction to keep You from paying closer attention to things like this!! WAKE THE HELL UP!!!

        • JMC

          July 28, 2013 at 2:13 pm

          Loser!!!! YOU have been one of the FOOLED. Are you proud? Obama is a Muslim from Kenya, who was placed into the 2008 election on the Democratic ticket by Bill Ayres. HE is our enemy. IGNORANT YOU ARE!

      • Kirk Bruner

        July 26, 2013 at 8:32 pm

        I guess you forgot all about the part where George Herbert Walker Bush talked about the “New World Order” during his inaugural address. My goodness, that was a very long time ago. where were you then? Do you not remember?

        • Joshua Uptmor

          July 26, 2013 at 11:19 pm

          He wasn’t even born I’m guessing. Some jackass teenager with really warped Fox News theories destroying his already crippled brain.

          • Sheila

            July 27, 2013 at 1:40 pm

            I am curious to know why he has spent millions of dollars
            to hide all of his other records. Not even a school transcript is available. Did you go to school with him? How do you know? Because he said so…haha…and you choose to believe Husseins word vomit.

        • Justin

          July 27, 2013 at 9:32 am

          That was September 11 1991. Exactly 10 years later, the same group attacked our country. It started a war on idealism, if you have the idea that those in control are wrong then you are labeled a terrorist. Look everyone this has gone on a long long time even before GHWB. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be holding the current admin accountable, because as you can see the one we have now didn’t hold Bush accountable AS HE PROMISED. he continued Bush’s policies instead. And I’m willing to bet the next guy also will ignore accountability for Obama, Bush or any of the others that have been involved throughout the years, they too will also be chosen for you to choose from, and they too will continue the policies put forth. None of us are going to win. You are not going to select a President not controlled by them from either party, the party system is controlled by ONE SIDE, they just give you two choices so it looks as if you chose this. Would you rather watch puppet controlled by my left hand, or rather the puppet controlled by my right hand, totally different choice here folks, you choose the best show for yourself, but either way, I’d still the guy controlling the puppet PERIOD.

      • Paul Counelis

        July 26, 2013 at 10:55 pm

        This is just goofy. Of course he’s a citizen of the US. I wish we’d stop making stupid people like Donald Trump famous.

        • Ray

          July 27, 2013 at 3:06 pm

          of course he is NOT a citizen of the USA.. if he was there would be no need in showing a fake birth certificate.. and please don’t bother saying it isn’t fake.. been proven time after time.. have no idea what Donald Trump has to do with this conversation but more power to you………….have a nice day..

        • Dagwat

          July 28, 2013 at 2:41 am

          obama is NOT a US citizen! never has been and you idiots who can’t see this are the blindest of the blind and the dumbest of the dumb. Open your stupid eyes before this tyrant destroys you and everything you ever loved. oh how stupid. You’ll let them destroy you, your family, your country and everything before you’ll take a good look at reality. “but obama is gonna give us gay rights. I have to love him”. Your stupid gay rights aren’t going to help you when you’re DEAD and that’s exactly where obama wants you, me and every other American citizen. DEAD! So his muslim scum buddies can loot everything we have, take our country and turn it into the largest muslim nation on earth. Oh why bother? You’re too stupid to understand truth.

          • Dawg

            July 29, 2013 at 9:44 pm

            Hey Dagtwat… STF up imbecile.

        • Kim

          July 28, 2013 at 4:06 am

          Even Donald Trump was silenced by the validity of the certificate and I’m no Obama fan. And there is record of birth announcement in the Hawaiian newspaper from that date, in the archives. The dude who made the movie about Obama called 2016 even conceded this point…

      • Joshua Uptmor

        July 26, 2013 at 11:15 pm

        OK, first of all, he’s a citizen. A shitty president, but a citizen. Second of all, exactly which president do you think was in office when the Patriot Act was passed? And finally, you’re a tool. Learn to write a sentence, read a book, and say something that doesn’t sound like a Hannity sound bite.

        • S.M.

          July 27, 2013 at 1:17 am

          Not a NATURAL BORN citizen and that is the requirement.

          • Jack Sparowe

            July 29, 2013 at 7:58 pm

            You know, you folks can post a million times and never agree on anything. You can quote Vattel and Hamilton all you want, but your points are moot. George Washington himself was not eligible to become president under the same article you’re all hung up on. He was at least 35 years old and he was a citizen at the time the Constitution was ratified. However, he was NOT a resident of the United States for 14 years, because when the Constitution was ratified, the United States was only 11 years old. Simple math, folks! If you’re going to take the time to evaluate a clause in the Constitution (and NONE of us here are constitutional experts, so we’re not going to do a very good job anyway), at least evaluate the entire clause.

            This is no different than the gun nuts hammering the 2nd Amendment into our brains and never once mentioning Article I, Section 8 (powers of Congress): “To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions.” Does this sound like the Militia is supposed to protect people from the government? Sounds more like the Militia is supposed to protect the government from the people. If any of you would like to write a well-researched, scholarly article, based on clear evidence and properly cited and post a link to it, I would be more than happy to read it. Until then, enough with the rhetoric and armchair philosophizing.

            With regard to President Obama, do any of you anti-Obama nitwits really think that someone who could not prove(or had not already proven) their citizenship, and their status as a natural-born citizen would be allowed to become President–the highest office in the nation and, really, the world? Hell, I can’t renew my teachers license without proper documentation. Give me a break.

            By the way, sticklers for details like the definition of “natural-born citizen” (Vattel, et al) might want to consider the Naturalization Act of 1790 (That’s right, passed just a few years after the Constitution was ratified!) and it’s definition of a natural-born citizen. Oh, by the way, I read Vattel’s French original and it simply uses the phrase “parents,” but does not, like the English translation, specify “both.” (“Les naturels, ou indigènes, sont ceux qui sont nés dans le pays, de parents citoyens.”) We (or the French, Spanish, etc.) rarely refer to parents in the singular, by the way; and, back in the day, almost never. Also, more than likely, both parents would have naturally been citizens. Yes, I’m aware this is a futile exercise in semantics, but just thought I’d interject it here to show that language is so incredibly fallible when it comes to expressing the precision of our thoughts and even less reliable when translated from one to another.

            One last thing: those of you who have allowed yourselves to be duped by this “Obama is a Muslim” thing (contrary to all logic and evidence), please turn off Faux News and, oh, I don’t know, think!

            Thank you.
            Muchas gracias.
            Merci beaucoup.

        • JOHN D. LEVAN

          July 27, 2013 at 4:40 am

          AND YOU JOSHUA, SEEM TO HAVE IT ALL TOGETHER, AT LEAST YOU THINK YOU DO. WHO IN THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE. HOW ABOUT STARTING BY CHANGING WHO YOU WATCH. NOW WHO WOULD THAT BE. MSNBC ? OR MAYBE SPONGEBOB SQUARE PANTS. OBAMA IS NOT A LEADER, HE IS A LIAR. AND HE IS A SHITTY PRES. AS YOU SO CORRECTLY CALLED, BUT YOU LEFT OUT ALL THE TIMES HE AND HIS LITTLE SOCIALISTS CREW OF THUGS HAVE IGNORED THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. THAT IN IT’S SELF IS TANTAMOUNT TO TREASON IN SOME BOOKS.

          • ntiavv

            July 28, 2013 at 5:50 am

            I totally agree John , these people that think he’s so great will be crying very soon , I don’t believe a word that comes out of his mouth , he is a liar and who does OBAMA thinks he is changing the second Amendment to suit him. Obama wouldn’t know the truth if it slapped him in the face , he is such a liar

        • Mick

          July 27, 2013 at 9:10 pm

        • Dagwat

          July 28, 2013 at 2:48 am

          obama is NOT a US citizen! There has never been one shred of evidence to imply that he is or ever was! And just which political party do you suppose was in charge of both houses of congress when the patriot act was crammed down our throats? It was your precious democrats, dipweed! THEY WROTE IT, THEY PASSED IT INTO LAW! Bush was ONE MAN whose support was taken away from him in the 2006 elections. Democrats took complete control. Everything that has happened since then is a result of their sabotage of America. WAKE UP IDIOT! Pay attention to REALITY instead of democrat politicians and the liberal media. GET SOME TRUTH IN YOUR FOOL HEAD!

          • doug degroff

            July 28, 2013 at 12:20 pm

            AHHHHHHHH FINALLY! SOMEONE WHO’S NOT AN ILLEGAL ALIEN COMMENTING.ANYONE WHO ACTIVELY SUPPORTS THAT MUSLIM IN THE WHITE HOUSE SHOULD BE CONCIDERED AN ENEMY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!(did I spell everything correctly?)Grammar Nazis….lol

          • Joe

            July 28, 2013 at 3:32 pm

            Bro chill, hes just a puppet, nothing more. It is the Illuminati, NWO, super rich elite zionists that have to be worried about.

          • Joe

            July 28, 2013 at 3:39 pm

            Also, the patriot act was signed in 2001 not 2006, when the republicans had control of the house, and the senate kept flip flopping. Read some facts first before you post these stupid rants.

        • Lili

          July 28, 2013 at 2:55 am

          Exactly, thanks Josh

      • charlie manfredi

        July 27, 2013 at 1:56 am

        Grow a brain.

      • Bear The Pirate

        July 27, 2013 at 9:44 pm

        Still a “birthed”? Puhleeze…get a grip, you’re emarassing yourself.

      • antonio

        July 27, 2013 at 10:05 pm

        you do realise that everything you just said about Obama was once said about Bush. my personal belief is that neither is nothing more than a puppet, altho Obama does seem to make attempts to be something more before being quickly shut down.

      • LIndaB

        July 28, 2013 at 1:15 am

        If any person running for President was not born on soil under the jurisdiction of the United States of American, he or she can NOT hold the office of the President of the United States. MR. OBAMA went to college in the United States receiving funds as a FOREIGN STUDENT. He admitted in the past that he in fact was Born in KENYA!!! He therefore is not the LEGAL President of the UNITED STATES. All work signed by him is NOT LEGAL!!! Those who don’t believe this live in a fantasy world. WAKE UP!!! You are the problem with our country. You are the people that are STUPID and DELUSIONAL.

      • carolyn forrester

        July 28, 2013 at 7:36 am

        haha, whore’s don’t work, they are the ones that do it for free and for spite or conquest or whatever. working girls are called something else.

      • Joe D

        July 28, 2013 at 1:40 pm

        OK so TSA and DEA should be abolished since 9/11 was planned b Bush Chenney as a power grab. You birthers.

      • Joe

        July 28, 2013 at 3:28 pm

        Stop being so ignorant, hes just a damn puppet.

      • Ann

        July 28, 2013 at 9:50 pm

        Stop your whining and do something about these insidious acts?

    • Tom Hyberger

      July 26, 2013 at 4:53 pm

      http://www.munciefreepress.com/node/29089

      This cheap guy was trying to skirt licensing his bar properly. This is managed by State DHS departments because failure to properly license is against the law. This is only an issue because he tried to be cheap. Every bar has to do this if they have live entertainment.

      • brianm

        July 26, 2013 at 5:40 pm

        DHS shouldn’t even be in any state….doing anything related to this

        • Stan Furlong

          July 26, 2013 at 11:55 pm

          Don’t forget goddamn SESAC

        • Jackie Joe

          July 27, 2013 at 4:23 am

          DHS isn’t in that state, its just what the State chose to call their department of safety and inspection. This IS NOT the Federal DHS. It is a state agency that the state fire inspectors report to for state building inspections that Indiana decided to call “The INDIANA Department of Homeland Security”. It is not, and has nothing to do with, the UNITED STATES Department of Homeland Security.

          He keeps calling it “Department of Homeland Security” to get you sheep on board with his weird crusade against having to have his building inspected by the fire marshal. The actual, United States Department of Homeland Security has nothing to do with this.

      • Julie

        July 26, 2013 at 6:11 pm

        No…you have to pay organizations like ASCAP and BMI for licensing due to royalties…live music, juke boxes, karaoke, etc. NOT HOMELAND SECURITY!

        • Mary

          July 26, 2013 at 8:44 pm

          This is enforcement so the publishing societies can collect. Know what you are talking about.

          • Sean

            July 26, 2013 at 9:41 pm

            Julie is right. Organizations like SESAC ASCAP and BMI exist SOLELY to ensure the publishing agencies and artists collect royalties on their music. As the manager/bokking agent/promoter/FOH engineer for a venue in North Carolina, the thought of homeland security sticking their hands into our wallets for absolutely no reason is disgusting.

        • Jackie Joe

          July 27, 2013 at 4:29 am

          Its not The US Dept of Homeland Security, its a State Agency called the Indiana Dept of Homeland Security. They don’t require a fee for playing music, but they are the State agency in charge of regulating building and fire permits, so he has to have his building up to code. He doesn’t want to be up to code, so he started a false campaign and left of that it is the STATE agency that is in charge of fire permits, that has poorly named itself, and not the actual US DHS.

          They could have called themselves “The Indiana Department of Fire and Building Safety”, but they didn’t. They chose “Indiana Department of Homeland Security” for some reason.

          • Bill

            July 28, 2013 at 1:59 pm

            Yes, let’s calm down a little bit. A quick Google search turns up the facts: this is the INDIANA Dept of Homeland Security, not the federal agency. The Indiana DHS apparently oversees fire and building safety (why, I don’t know). This case applies ONLY to LIVE music being played in “places of amusement and entertainment” (apparently it does not even apply to restaurants). And all it is, is enforcement of existing state law on fire codes. I’m all for standing up to government bullying, but let’s pick our fights carefully. This is not worth getting upset about. http://www.munciefreepress.com/node/29089

      • Julie

        July 26, 2013 at 6:13 pm

        No…you have to pay organizations like ASCAP and BMI due to royalties, etc…not HOMELAND SECURITY.

        • Julie

          July 26, 2013 at 6:15 pm

          I didn’t think one went through…sorry for double post…I can’t find a way to delete it.

          • matt

            July 26, 2013 at 8:39 pm

            You need to get a permit for doing live sound indoors or any entertainment indoors, this has nothing to do with the music this has to do with safety of the venue, this is to avoid situations like Great White, this has NOTHING AT ALL to do with music and freedom of speech.

          • Jake B

            July 26, 2013 at 10:02 pm

            I saw great white live recently. Tragic past.

          • Karl

            July 27, 2013 at 12:44 am

            Sorry Matt but you are incorrect the fire marshals office is in charge of ensuring the safety of the patrons of any establishment by regulating how many people can be in a building at one time based on the amount of space and emergency exits you do and have for a long time needed a permit from the fire marshals office when using pyrotechnics (the Great White incident you mentioned) a bar is supposed to have an entertainment license to have live music this has more to do with not blocking exits and sound ordnance established by local government. DHS should have NOTHING to do with any of this.

        • James Bragonier

          July 27, 2013 at 12:04 am

          No, you don’t have to pay BMI and/or ASCAP, though their representatives would like you to think you do… There is no law that have pay this for any reason… They may try to make life miserable for those that refuse.

          • DJ Steve O

            July 27, 2013 at 12:25 pm

            Sorry James but, you are wrong. If you are using copyrighted music under any circumstances, you have to obtain a license to use the music. We just had a bar, near where, that had to pay $18,000 for using three songs without a BMI license,and this was a karaoke show.

          • Mic Robinson

            July 27, 2013 at 2:31 pm

            you’re right about BMI and ASCAP. and Karl is right about the fire marshals being the ones who decide safe occupancy according for room capacity. DHS would be totally incompetent for that assignment; they don’t know building code enforcement. DHS would also be incompetent to monitor music for clearing house purposes.
            something about this article, and the responses to it scream; Misinformed.

          • Kendra Leigh

            July 27, 2013 at 11:10 pm

            Actually, there is a law, it’s called the Copyright Law, maybe you’ve heard of it. It’s the one that states something along the lines of “public display of this material is illegal without proper permissions.” By paying BMI/ASCAP, you’re paying for the royalties of publicly performing or playing a song that you do not own the rights to. You DO NOT need to pay the fees if the only music ever heard in your venue is original by the artist currently performing it (no covers).

          • Kendra Leigh

            July 27, 2013 at 11:12 pm

            And furthermore, as a person in a band, I feel it is entirely fair that you DO pay these fees to ASCAP/BMI. That money goes to the bands who’s music you are enjoying. Don’t you think they deserve to get paid?

      • Christopher Barnes

        July 26, 2013 at 6:13 pm

        Good Sheep, good sheep. Bow down and pay the extortion fee to your masters and give up more freedom then criticize a man standing for freedom by playing it off as a fiscal issue. News Flash, YOU and people like you are a huge part of the problem in this country!

        • michael evans

          July 26, 2013 at 11:16 pm

          Christopher ,these type of people would gladly bend over and let others f@uck them as long as they get told its ok & its for there safety because they will wear two rubbers while they do it!. I agree with you 100%!!

        • Will

          July 27, 2013 at 3:30 pm

          Completely agree, Christopher. Just people trying to rationalize government overreach, nothing new. I don’t see where the government, least of all DHS, needs to step in when an artist is selling his performance to the owner of a venue, and patrons are voluntarily paying their money to see said performance. Where in that equation is government necessary?

      • jwhitehawke

        July 26, 2013 at 7:01 pm

        Tom. You are an idiot. This will include singing and playing a guitar in a park would get someone arrested…… and getting a PERMIT to exersize free speech is unconstitutional.

      • jwhitehawke

        July 26, 2013 at 7:02 pm

        Tom. You are an idiot. This will include singing and playing a guitar in a park would get someone arrested…… and getting a PERMIT to exercise free speech is unconstitutional.

        • Charles Seward

          July 26, 2013 at 8:28 pm

          You only need a public performance license to perform someone else’s music. You may perform your OWN music anywhere at anytime.

          The license is there in order to pay the composer. Radio stations also pay a license fee. And for TV, you have to negotiate before the song is broadcast and the composer can charge whatever they want.

          Remember, the song does not belong to you if you didn’t write it.

          • Michael Martin

            July 26, 2013 at 9:31 pm

            Thank you Charles for a sane and honest point of view. We are not talking about publishing rights. This is separately a permit from The Indiana Department of Homeland Security just for playing live music of any kind, and it does not apply to Karaoke or Djs according to The DHS.

          • Kevin fucking Khaos

            July 27, 2013 at 1:55 am

            This establishment had gone to far. It is time to light the torches and gran the pitchforks. BUCK OFAMA

          • For My Liberty

            July 27, 2013 at 7:37 pm

            REALLY?? and exactly HOW do they know WHO to give the “royalty” to?? Do they split it up when you sing several songs? That money goes NO WHERE except to the GOVERNMENT…STOP being STUPID!

      • Mick K

        July 27, 2013 at 1:57 am

        I still fail to see what the Indiana Department of Homeland Security has to do with live music. I can understand local ordinances, but DHS? Seems like they are overreaching.

      • Sib

        July 28, 2013 at 12:59 am

        What the hell is the license for? What the hell does music have to do with “homeland security?”

        Sounds like homeland extortion, to me. And will have the effect of silencing speech.

      • Chris

        July 28, 2013 at 1:11 pm

        Um no they do not. I’m in the process of opening a bar right now that will have live music. I haven’t seen anything saying I needed to pay the DHS. At least not yet. And just like this man I won’t.

    • Mark

      July 26, 2013 at 9:02 pm

      Ridiculous. Another power grab!

      • Jeff H in CA

        July 26, 2013 at 10:35 pm

        Although I find the idea of Indiana DHS being the enforcement agency of record to be a little strange, the fact is, this happens to fall under a rather large umbrella that has to do with “live music entertainment” as well as DHS’s role in assisting FBI in enforcing royalty payment collection for BMI-ASCAP-SESAC etc.

        So the original article is something of a distortion, because DHS is not saying that it is illegal to play music freely in the United States, it’s saying that if you own an establishment which offers music, you need to get the proper permits inside Muncie city limits.

        You also need a liquor license, or a food license, you need fire permits, occupancy permits, you need code inspections and health inspections too, see how that works, Mr. Martin?

        I am not challenging your sense of irritation at having to plead your exception, but your focus is on the wrong issue.

        You might better serve this problem if you work to get the law rewritten or amended, changed or somehow repealed and replace with one which adequately addresses the relevant exceptions to the rule.

        DHS/FBI, State of Indiana and City of Muncie are just using the “shotgun approach” so that they catch all comers with a larger net. I do not believe that this is some sort of sinister plot to prohibit freely playing music in the United States.

        That kind of headline is rather sensationalist and smacks of “New World Order” paranoia which, hate to burst your bubble, is not quite rational.

        We are indeed living in what is rapidly becoming a corporatist fascist police state but they’re more interested in your wages, collective bargaining, pension, social security, overtime, and your participation in a growing privatized prison complex.

        Something like simple municipal license hassles is small potatoes for them but big potatoes for the City of Muncie, which depends on the revenues.

        • Lisa

          July 27, 2013 at 2:43 pm

          I suggest Flash Music Mobs……Do not get a permit for anything……just play….and play just long enough so when some freaking busybody that wants to make their reward money for reporting their fellow citizens having fun without a warrant;;;;disappear…..appear….disappear…..its Magic!!

        • Jozen

          July 28, 2013 at 3:00 am

          More governments, more regulations… less freedom… no thanks! Also, there are already agencies to enforce royalties for when radio stations play someone´s music… DHS is just trying to control any aspect of life it can get its greedy evil hands on… and siphon money from the public. Government is more and more like a business, charging its people even AFTER they pay taxed for FREE service… this is so out of control its about to break! I hope you like ICE 😀

      • David Sims

        July 27, 2013 at 1:31 pm

        That’s right. It is a power grab, and it has an understandable strategic purpose. Music can arouse human passions. The right music can make large numbers of people feel brave, or angry, or both. The Department of Homeland Security probably has it in mind to make sure that nobody can perform any music having a “subversive” message to US citizens, whose words might inform or persuade them in ways the government does not want them informed or persuaded.

    • adam

      July 27, 2013 at 4:12 am

      if this isnt a fuckin joke let change.org it . lets get everyone on it they cant stop the rock and force us to wonk on SHITTY Radio and only 10% of the world can AFFORD satellite radio so MOST RADIO IS SHITTTY AS FUCK home land security can get anal raped if they do not “cease” and “desist” 😉

    • Pamela Perry

      July 27, 2013 at 5:08 pm

      If they are allowed to pass this and enforce it, this will be the start to marshal law in the country! This is the plan of our government. In this country it’s 545 vs 300,000,000! 435 people in congress, 9 in the supreme court, and 1 president vs the rest of the nation. these 545 make our laws, raise our taxes and appoint people to run organizations like the DHS. WE NEED A BIG CHANGE IN OUR GOVERNMENT TO STOP THEM FROM TAKING OUR FREEDOMS AWAY! WE NEED GOVERNMENT BUT NOT THE ONE THAT IS IN OFFICE NOW THEY ALL NEED TO GO!

    • Rick Frost

      July 27, 2013 at 6:23 pm

      The Dept. of Homeland Security can get fucked!Bunch of former Mall Security Guards. You give them a little power and look at how they behave! I propose we surround their Headquarters with hundreds of Marshall Stacks, Volume on 10 and play for 24 hours straight!

    • Linda Jordan

      July 28, 2013 at 2:04 pm

      Please check facts before posting hoaxes.
      http://www.snopes.com/politics/arts/livemusic.asp

    • Chava

      July 28, 2013 at 4:09 pm

      Well…according to SNOPES, this is FALSE: http://www.snopes.com/politics/arts/livemusic.asp

    • Lucy

      July 28, 2013 at 6:16 pm

      Inane and ridiculous. The DHS has been overstepping its authority for so long (in fact, since its inception!) someone should’ve dismantled the Department the very next day.

    • Elizabeth

      July 29, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    • shelley

      July 29, 2013 at 2:34 pm

      It is going too far,definitely. This is a continuation of what the Bush-Cheney-Halliburton cartel started after 911. And as far as all you ridiculous birther idiots go–no matter where President Obama was born he is an AMERICAN CITIZEN because his mother was an AMERICAN CITIZEN!!! It doesn’t matter who his father was or where he was born. If your mother is an American so are you!!!!!!

    • Nancy Beegle

      July 29, 2013 at 3:44 pm

      My eldest son and I have been finding new legislation passed behind closed doors in the wee hours of the morning, new “government” organizations such as DHS (which was formerly Department of Human Services where I grew up), which are all designed to eventually completely do away with our Constitution (that document/concept upon which this country was founded, the guarantees made to American citizens that government would not be permitted to do exactly what it has been doing). Not to plug our blog, but you should all go there for a quick, concentrated showing of many of the sneaky things our government, which is supposed to protect us from tyranny, has been doing and preparing to do. This country is in grave trouble, and it’s not only the economy that’s a threat to so many honest, hard working, law-abiding citizens. This is preposterous, and I strongly advise that everyone wake up and smell the BS, so to speak – hate to put it that way, but it is what it is…….educate and prepare yourselves, please, and yes – we ALL DO NEED TO GET TOGETHER AND FIGHT, THIS IS A GOOD SPRINGBOARD, BUT IT CANNOT BE WHERE IT STOPS! Thanks for sharing this vital information, and best wishes in your own endeavors.

    • chris

      July 29, 2013 at 10:20 pm

      I will never stop playing music anyone that tells me to stop can go fuck them self’s and the boat they came on this is the land of the free

    • Kris DeKock

      July 30, 2013 at 3:17 pm

      this is false. my gawd people; do your research before you get your panties wadded up. http://www.snopes.com/politics/arts/livemusic.asp

  2. James Klisavage

    July 22, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    Music? It is my soul. Live music? There is nothing more magical.

  3. Don Vice

    July 22, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    The DHS and the Patriot Act have destroyed our freedoms. As a musician and a citizen I am outraged the government would involve itself with regulating live music under the guise of preventing terrorism. Good luck at your hearing Mr. Martin you have my full support.

  4. Raven

    July 22, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    What the hell? Trying to take the music out of our local facilities? I’ll stand against the DHS!

  5. Molly Jones

    July 22, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    This is outrageous! Music is a way to relax and relieve stress and express yourself without harming anyone else in the process. Does this all come down to money? People don’t need permits to kill people or rob people…but they need a permit to play music?! I am contemplating moving out of this country. I do not lime where we are headed if this actually happens.

    • Nick

      July 25, 2013 at 11:18 pm

      Just gonna through this out there, you definitely need a permit to carry firearms. But that’s beside the point. The regulations are set to prevent catastrophes from happening from fires in venues, such as the incident that happened in Rhode Island.

      Here’s the law: http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/2010/title22/ar14/ch3.html. It’s being grossly misinterpreted.

      • thur

        July 26, 2013 at 12:05 pm

        You’re going to through it out it there? Surely you mean throw…and don’t be so foolish to believe its not an end run around the constitution. The DHS has no business in protecting live music venues from fires. We already have a bureau for that.

        • Matthew

          July 26, 2013 at 3:58 pm

          The wording could still be twisted to suit any situation that involves an “entertainment” or an “amusement” and the infraction will not only be on the person involved in putting on that “entertainment” or “amusement” but also the owner of location where this takes place. The wording for this is very pliable and could be used to fit a multitude of situations. I believe that is what you should take away from this, all it takes is one time that they use a bill like this to shut down a group of people listening to music or such and then they would have precedence to use it in almost any situation. The fact is, this is not the governments place.

      • Shon D

        July 26, 2013 at 3:43 pm

        It is ASTONISHING how many people are making the cognitive CHOICE to grossly misinterpret this law. Nick, these people lack intelligence. Plain and simple, all they can do is whine about the country they’ll NEVER leave, and call the rest of us “sheep”.

        • Christopher Barnes

          July 26, 2013 at 6:20 pm

          I’ll go toe to toe with you on intelligence about the issues any day of the week and twice on Sunday! You ARE sheep! Your comment alone proves my point to an educated person so I feel no need to go any further.

        • Ray

          July 26, 2013 at 6:35 pm

          Right on Shon. Hysteria on the is depressing and ugly – and I’m a “live musician” and music supporter.

      • AZ Mark

        July 26, 2013 at 5:47 pm

        “Just gonna through this out there, you definitely need a permit to carry firearms”

        Might want to educate yourself before making such a statement. Some of us live in states where we have elected public servants who abide by the Constitution rather than wipe their asses with it.

        • Glenn A Charette

          July 27, 2013 at 7:06 pm

          Sorry Mark Get your facts straight I live in Colorado and any law abiding citizen can carry a firearm without a permit. You only need a permit to carry a concealed firearm. A lot of laws can be twisted to fit a particular situation just in it’s wording and it dose matter that DHS has now found a little wording loophole that will allow them to regulate private musicians playing music anywhere. If this case is lost by Mr.Martin it will set a very dangerous precedent that can and will be used by others to curtail freedom of exasperation all across this great nation.

          • Glenn A Charette

            July 27, 2013 at 7:15 pm

            Spellchecker is a pain in the @@@. ( freedom of *expression )

      • AKing14

        July 26, 2013 at 7:47 pm

        Well put.

        Nick, I definitely DO NOT need a permit to carry my firearm. In our state, all we need is a license.

      • stephenwv

        July 26, 2013 at 9:48 pm

        There are 18 states that prohibit or require licensing to carry a firearm, with some exceptions. The remaining 38 allow open carry, some with local restrictions allowed by state law. Concealed carry (except for fellons and the usual suspects): 5 States have no laws prohibiting concealed carry (generally called Constitutional carry); Including 4 of these 5 states (VT has no licensing/permitting at all) there are 41 states that have “shall issue” concealed carry laws, meaning if you apply, you “shall” get the permit; The other 9 fall under “may issue” where someone may be denied.

      • Don Johnson

        July 27, 2013 at 11:30 pm

        In Alaska we don’t need a permit to carry a gun. No gun permit system has EVER stopped crime, ever, anywhere. I don’t need a permit to speak, practice my religion, etc, so why would I need one to carry a weapon? Alaska is the last bastion of a little freedom left in this country, and we are going down the toilet too.

    • Mary

      July 26, 2013 at 8:45 pm

      You’re harming the people who made the music if you are listening to it without having paid for it.

      • Michael Martin

        July 26, 2013 at 9:35 pm

        Mary this is not a publishing issue. This is a performance of live music issue no matter if it your music or not. I am a musician myself and they say this even applies to me personally in my own business. http://www.michaelmartinband.com

        Thanks for caring though! I appreciate the healthy debate about American Politics. That is part of a healthy democracy.

        • A Citizen

          July 27, 2013 at 4:20 am

          We’re not a “democracy.” We’re a Constitutional Republic. Some offices and issues are decided by democratic election. Too many statutes and regulations are unconstitutional.

      • janice guffey

        July 27, 2013 at 4:14 am

        I play my CD’s that I Paid for, so I should be able to continue, and I pay for downloads to mt I POD TOUCH..If I watch TV and there is music well I do not know about that but the writers must give the Tv producers the right to play the music….just saying…

    • anonymous

      July 26, 2013 at 8:51 pm

      rather it all comes down to probably just the control factor, in my opinion. they’re slowly taking control of everything, excercising their power and someday, it’s proly gonna get real bad aaaand we’re screwed. They just want control. they’re afraid of what WE THE PEOPLE can really do with our governemnt and certain people we do not like.

      • Gigi

        July 26, 2013 at 11:44 pm

        Anonymous….I agree totally.

  6. SHEILA Gregory

    July 22, 2013 at 11:06 pm

    Stop!! Free Music is part of America.
    Are you all that bored? Go after the Real Criminals That commit Real Crimes.

    • Mary

      July 26, 2013 at 8:45 pm

      Free Music is not part of America it’s our number two export.

      • rockbuiltbetter@gmail.com

        July 27, 2013 at 1:09 am

        Mary this has nothing to do with copyright laws since it does not apply to DJs a DJ buys songs than plays them night after night and gets paid for is time and equipment much like a juke box with a brain. Live band play sometimes their own music and sometimes other peoples music for the entertainment of others. This has always been the case we are still playing Green Sleeves and it is the oldest piece of written music. The DHS has no business enforcing rules regarding anything other than things that could threaten our homeland security, Live music does not so they need to butt out. I guess people won’t get serious about this until they charge people every time they watch a football game or replays

  7. Tony

    July 22, 2013 at 11:06 pm

    I can not be there until after 1200 but I would like to help show support. Have you started a petition? Are you going to do so? I WILL help you get signatures.

  8. Robert Mizner

    July 22, 2013 at 11:08 pm

    I think this is total bullshit, it’s just another way for them to make more money and stick their noises where they don’t belong. Furthermore, it’s just another right we are being stripped of, makes me want to move the hell out of this country. Communist Bastards!!!

  9. Michelle Freed

    July 22, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    This is wrong and an over reach of DHS.

  10. Maita McHenry

    July 22, 2013 at 11:48 pm

    One of the most RIDICULOUS things I have ever heard. WHEN IS ENOUGH GOING TO BE ENOUGH????

    • Doc

      July 25, 2013 at 10:57 pm

      When people of America stand up together and push back

      • Christopher Barnes

        July 26, 2013 at 6:23 pm

        Unfortunately for most people it will be about the time Federal or State Storm Troopers show up at their door to haul them off to an internment camp, which by then will be to late. After all, freedom is a pesky subject, Honey BOO BOO is on tonight!

  11. Jessica

    July 23, 2013 at 12:11 am

    As it turns out, the linked article above is… well, pretty grossly incorrect. The situation, which involves the Indiana Dept. of Homeland Security (not the Federal agency), is about health & safety inspections of show venues (which for whatever damned reason has been tasked to the IDHS in Indiana). It has nothing to do with “free music” and everything to do with trying to prevent a repeat of, say, the 2011 Rhode Island night club fire (where a hundred patrons were killed). The Indiana Licensed Beverage Association is fighting this… as such business organisations have fought against inspection laws for as long as such have existed on the books.

    Here’s a news article on the conflict: http://www.munciefreepress.com/node/29089

    • Michael Martin

      July 23, 2013 at 4:05 pm

      Jessica,
      Your opinion and research are appreciated, but what you’re saying is incorrect and the write up from http://www.munciefreepress.com does not show the true light of the situation. This is true that the Indiana State Fair case is used as a justification for this law, but it is not why they are using this law in this situation. The law which I have linked here at the bottom of this comment mostly reads about outdoor concerts such as the one at the state fair. There is also one line toward the end that reads “or places where persons are employed”. That is the line that the DHS is using to place itself in any business and have oversight of live music. I was interviewed for that article you referenced. We do not even have a stage or lights. We are a 48 person hamburger joint which happens to be owned by musicians who play music there too.

      The hearing I have is at The Indiana State House on Aug. 2nd at 11am. This is real. Here is the law that The DHS is using to justify it.

      http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/2010/title22/ar14/ch3.html

      • C Darryl Mattison

        July 24, 2013 at 4:18 pm

        But the oversight in question has to do with safety, not music. I read the law, and it’s totally disingenuous for you to say that the law has anything to do with oversight of live music – it does not. It’s about fire exits and building materials. It regulates fire safety issues at venues that offer “amusements or entertainment”, which would include, say, an arcade. Would you interpret the law to mean that they’re regulating pinball machines or skee ball alleys, or the haircuts of the kids who go there? In fact, the way it reads, it could be interpreted to cover any sports bar that shows games on TV. Would you contend that this legislation dictates the channels and sports that can be shown?

        Your position is absurd and if I were a judge and that were your only argument I’d throw you out of the courtroom. And, just for the record, I’m a professional musician and a big fan of the First Amendment. I’d be writing letters and contributing to your defense fund if your contention was true.

        • Greg

          July 25, 2013 at 9:36 pm

          They are using the same excuse of “safety” when it comes to restricting free speech. A bill just passed requiring permits to demonstrate, and limiting where and how you can protest…. all in the name of safety.

          It’s a scam, sham, a shame. You are missing the point. Yes, it also applies to the additional types of venues you mentioned, but how does that make it less true that it restricts music venues? No one said it was specifically targeting music, just that it would affect music venues.

          There are probably plenty of laws on the books claiming to cover the safety aspects anyone could be worried about.

          • michael evans

            July 26, 2013 at 11:32 pm

            People like this guy don’t get it Greg-The Gov. will make up any type of law they can in the name of public safety to control people.

        • Jerff

          July 26, 2013 at 8:37 pm

          Shoot I would of thought you were an attorney, nicely put.

      • C Darryl Mattison

        July 24, 2013 at 4:23 pm

        I don’t see that phrase anywhere in the link you cited.

        • hwyllie

          July 24, 2013 at 9:37 pm

          I think the point is the DHS was created to stop terrorist attacks , yet it morphs year by year and day by day in to a regulatory/police agency. If you look back to 2001, the purpose for this agency was to assure the intelligence community shared information, they have gone far beyond what their intended purpose was and it will never stop growing.they have no reason to be involved in anything other then the collecting and sharing of intelligence. This agency in theory is a good idea, in practice it sucks.

        • Michael Martin

          July 25, 2013 at 6:26 am

          Here is everything I have and I agree C Darryl Mattison. I do not see it in this part either. I read several pages of codes with several references to other codes. Here is what I have.
          I understand and appreciate the skepticism and debate about my posting about The Department of Homeland Security making it illegal to play music in The United States. Here is a list of the remarks to my post and I will answer each and show the proof of my previous post. Thank you for caring.

          1. Is this The State or Federal Department of Homeland Security? I personally am dealing with The Indiana Department of Homeland Security for my hearing on Aug. 2nd, 2013 at 11:00am. This is an Indiana Law. The Indiana Department of Homeland Security is part of the broader Federal Department of Homeland Security. I do not know each state’s Homeland Security Laws or authority with their respective Fire Marshalls. The Indiana Department of Homeland Security is now over The Indiana State Fire Marshall. Attached is their letter head where they are both clearly marked. The State level Departments of Homeland Security report to the Federal Department of Homeland Security making all State level DHS effectively State Agents of The Federal Department of Homeland Security. The DHS came about after the attacks of September, 11 2001. The reason they attach to the State Fire Marshall is because that puts them in EVERY PUBLIC COMMERCIAL BUILDING which means every business in The United States. There is no federal agency with the authority to do that. In fact there are state and federal laws which govern the size and revenue of companies that become under federal jurisdiction. Most of those laws are aimed at keeping the Federal Government out of small business. Which moves on to question 2…

          2. Is this required for all buildings? No! Only PUBLIC COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS which means every business in every state that uses the Fire Marshall and Department of Homeland Security together. This means EVERY MUSIC VENUE because all places that play music to the public are COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. This means every place that is not a private residence is subject to this.

          3. Has The Fire Marshall already done an inspection of Folly Moon? Yes! During our Fire Marshall Inspection we were cited for not having an “Amusement & Entertainment Permit”, which according to The Fire Marshall was according to The Department of Homeland Security. Here is a link to the Indiana Code. Note: to find all of the wording I have described in my original post you must also follow the sections that reference another part of the code to read the actual law that is being used. This is a technique used to make it difficult for average citizens or even voting public representatives to understand.

          4. Here are the exact codes and the other parts of the codes that the code which I am cited for references.

          I am cited on my Fire Marshall report to be in violation of: http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/2010/title22/ar14/ch3.html

          The above code also references these codes to justify it’s authority to carry out this action:Note: to find all of the wording I have described in my original post you must also follow the sections that reference another part of the code to read the actual law that is being used. This is a technique used to make it difficult for average citizens or even voting public representatives to understand.

          http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title22/ar12/ch1.html – What are “regulated places of entertainment” according to DHS and Fire Safety
          http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title22/ar12/ch1.html – What are “outdoor performances”

          5. What Info Do they want from business, corporations, llcs, partnerships and building owners (of which no one but the irs gets access to unless you are involved in a lawsuit) IC 22-14-3-3 http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/2010/title22/ar14/ch3.html

          Again as applied to The Indiana Department of Homeland Security and enforced through State Firemarshalls it is illegal to play live music in The United States in a COMMERCIAL PUBLIC BUILDING OR OUTDOORS. This law, I believe, if researched is being used in other states also. I do not know because I have not done that research. I have to prepare for my hearing at The Indiana State House with The Department of Homeland Security.

          • sachin

            July 25, 2013 at 10:32 pm

            this copy-pasted response is nice but you could easily edit the original article to clarify that you’re talking about the *INDIANA* department of homeland security, which has NOTHING to do with the federal DHS.

            http://www.in.gov/dhs/2358.htm

            Simply clarifying this would make your cause seem more valid, rather than a reactionary petition to incite anti-government emotions and confusion among readers.

          • cup

            July 26, 2013 at 8:01 am

            btw- the picture you posted was from the Division of Fire and Building Safety- not the DHS. have you ever heard of the Triangle Shirtwaist fire that created that division? did you know that fire-escapes are required by law BECAUSE of that tragedy? maybe i misread your comment (and if i did i apologize) but don’t mislead your readers!!! i believe that YOU are smart enough to realize that fire safety laws are a good thing; please don’t twist things around to prove your point!

          • Matthew

            July 26, 2013 at 4:12 pm

            I have to disagree with sachin, he stated that this is occurring in Indiana but within the Indiana Department of Homeland Security which is a branch of the Federal Department of Homeland Security. In order to do something like this on a national level they would have to create precedence on a smaller scale and build up (hence, Indiana).

          • Loretta

            July 26, 2013 at 6:32 pm

            Indiana is not the entire UNITED STATES and you are doing yourself a disservice by sensationalizing.

            It sounds like you’re being cheap and want to use mob mentality to avoid getting a permit anyone else would have to.

            This makes you a douche.

          • Jeff H in CA

            July 26, 2013 at 10:49 pm

            Well AGAIN, it is very strange that Indiana uses a state DHS for this stuff but I guess that now that the agency has been created and they can’t all be looking for Osama or his clones, they have to give them busy work.

            If the DHS did not exist at all, you would still be having the exact same fight with some pencil-pusher at City Hall whose door reads “Live Entertainment Venue Permit Dept” instead. But it would be the same argument about the same issue Mike. The fact is, you have a commercial business in a commercial building and the various municipal departments all have their hands out like in any other city.

            It’s always been that way, it’s just that Indiana likes putting the words “Department of Homeland Security” up there because it gives them a little extra oomph.

          • A Citizen

            July 27, 2013 at 4:24 am

            “The State level Departments of Homeland Security report to the Federal Department of Homeland Security making all State level DHS effectively State Agents of The Federal Department of Homeland Security. ”

            State agencies do not “report” to federal agencies. We are the United STATES of America. Is it possible it’s a unit of a federal agency?

      • Carolyne Mas

        July 25, 2013 at 4:20 pm

        Thank you…I was going to post this myself. It has always been standard for clubs to have an entertainment license, or a cabaret license. I am a musician from NYC, and have played at clubs that had to close because they didn’t have one…long ago in the 80’s…so this is nothing new. They are old laws, but they can be enforced and it is normal. It’s a terrible oversight on the part of the club owner in Muncie.

        • Michael Martin

          July 25, 2013 at 6:39 pm

          Carolyne, It is not an oversight that I have the right appeal a bad law and am asking the public to stand up for oursleves. To say that because a law is old it should never be challenged would be like saying that the law that made it illegal for women to vote should never be challenged because it was just always that way before.

          • Jeff H in CA

            July 26, 2013 at 10:53 pm

            Okay, it’s a BAD piece of law, it’s slipshod and slapdash.
            You should probably go get the stupid permit, and THEN start working to get the law changed or amended.

            I am truly sorry but if you couch this in the terms you’re currently running with, they WILL view you as a crackpot and I am not willing to term you as such just yet, just a good guy with a nice establishment who doesn’t understand why Indiana is using DHS to do something that a local fire marshal could do just as easily.

      • Keegan Tawa

        July 25, 2013 at 5:18 pm

        No wonder you were shut down! You’re a 48 person hamburger joint trying to put on a live show! Doesn’t it seem possible that a fire marshal might see that as a hazard? This is not a totalitarian crackdown, its a dick fire marshal and a manic restaurant owner

        • Michael Martin

          July 25, 2013 at 6:19 pm

          We have approval from the Fire Marshall for our occupancy permit. This is a separate permit specifically for live music from The Department of Homeland Security enforced through the State Fire Marshall’s office. Your response seems to indicate that you understand the way fire occupancy works. I am not being a jerk about it, but just letting you know that your response is not at all accurate as to what the issue we have with the Fire Marshall. Thanks for caring enough to post though!

        • Greg

          July 25, 2013 at 9:39 pm

          Dude. There are bars in my town putting on live shows every night, and they honestly have two to five employees working. Your argument that because its a “small” establishment, it can’t possibly be safe, is quite honestly silly
          .

        • Matthew

          July 26, 2013 at 4:15 pm

          People have shows in Coffee shops smaller than that, how is your argument valid Keegan Tawa? This is also not just a manic restaurant owner and fire marshall but on a State level. This just happens to be one person willing to speak out because he feels this is wrong.

      • Lucy Birkhead

        July 26, 2013 at 3:42 am

        So, what you’re saying is that you don’t want to purchase the permit that they require because free music is considered as “entertainment or amusement?” I see where you’re coming from, it is a bit absurd to charge for a permit for somebody to play their guitar or do karaoke at your restaurant…

        • Matthew

          July 26, 2013 at 4:17 pm

          You have to also remember that they can refuse permits, as well as require someone to be permitted when it is completely unnecessary.

      • Russ Nelson

        July 27, 2013 at 5:56 pm

        What part of “Congress shall not infringe” are people not understanding? It doesn’t say “shall not infringe unless safety is involved.”

    • Jim

      July 24, 2013 at 2:52 pm

      I love Jessica. She is my hero.

      I find it amazing how many people for outlandishly stated claims just because they were posted on the internet.

    • SKEEVIE

      July 24, 2013 at 9:18 pm

      What do night club fires or music have to do with the Department of Homeland Security? Nothing.

  12. Cody Piercy

    July 23, 2013 at 1:18 am

    I thought this was MURICA.

  13. Walter Mulligan

    July 23, 2013 at 1:31 am

    This is an OUTRAGE!!! What does playing music have to do with “Homeland Security”??? The DHS needs to be dismantled NOW!!

  14. Scotti

    July 23, 2013 at 1:49 am

    How exactly does one get involved (or to stand with you) in this? Would love more information.

  15. Kara Mikels

    July 23, 2013 at 2:13 am

    A generation lost in space…

    The day the music died.

    • Kliffs Edge

      July 26, 2013 at 11:21 pm

      The Music didn’t die. I can still hear it playing in my head every day. I’m a musician. Now I’m thinking set the Band up in the middle of the block. Have a party for every one in the neighborhood. Turn it up play for about 3 hours. Before we take a break. Just to see what happens. The neighbors love a good party so they won’t be a problem. No problem? We’ll play other 3 hours. This is going to be so much fun. Damn good reason to have a block or Blocks Party. Thank ya very much. Cliff
      Rock n Roll

  16. Louis Brinskelle

    July 23, 2013 at 2:19 am

    Disband Homeland Security.

  17. Noel Mckinney

    July 23, 2013 at 4:16 am

    Your tyrannical oppression of people and vehement repression of freedom and consciousness will not be tolerated here in America. You and your Nazi organization are an affront to legitimacy and an opponent to all free peoples. Your evil works to suppress the expression of music by the people are an obvious work of Satan. We see you. We will not forget, we will not forgive.

    • Nick

      July 25, 2013 at 11:28 pm

      Way to compare fire and building safety permits to the organization responsible for the systematic killing of the Jewish population. Get your head out of your ass. The federal DHS and Indiana DHS have different jobs. Read into things before posting.

      • Dylan

        July 27, 2013 at 10:52 pm

        Yo this blog isn’t meant for you people to be bashing each other. Its kinda sad when people say that we stand together, we are united, yet they cant even read a blog without firing off at someone. Foreign or not a threat is a threat and that most definitely does not rule out the US goverment or rather in this case homeland security. This is meant to bring about awareness. Whether to take something from this or not is your choice alone.

      • Shanghi Jones

        July 28, 2013 at 9:29 pm

        Nick, you are a dolt. You probably work for DHS. Only a sinister statist would dare to argue that it is fine for DHS to tax live music on private property and that it equivalent to enforcing building codes. As for the comparison to Nazi Germany, it is well taken, particularly with our new surveillance state and federal laws requiring Federal employees to spy on their fellow workers on pain of criminal prosecution for failing to report their suspicions. Regarding the slaughter of the Jews, our government slaughtered 250,000 Southern men, women and children to impose its continued rule. It committed genocide against American Indians while betraying treaties with them. It imprisoned and took the property of Japanese Americans during WWII. It will never do anything similar again? You’re either an arrogant moron or a government agent. Either way you are a threat to freedom.

  18. George

    July 23, 2013 at 4:28 am

    it is illegal, bullshit. They do not have authority to make up laws as they go. Just what laws are they siting to back this statement up. I think they are just trying to shake everyone down because they are running out of money. Personally, I’d just tell them to fuck off. If the governor of your state would just put out an arrest warrant for all DHS agents the entered your state, arrest them, throw them in jail without bond and fine each agent $100,000 every time they game there, and follow through on that, this would all go away.

  19. Tara

    July 23, 2013 at 4:34 am

    I truely think this is an outrage. You know this is supposed to be the land of the free. They already took public smoking out of the equation now music. This is how music starts and stay alive. How bands get noticed. Music to some people is why they go out and have a good time. I know I do… I personal think homeland security and the government needs to give shit a rest and quit trying to fuck the people….

  20. matthew z cumings

    July 23, 2013 at 5:24 am

    I like to whistle.

  21. Amanda Pfeiffer

    July 23, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    This is a bit of an out rage.

  22. Josh Hartley

    July 23, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    what the fuck , hell ya you got my support

  23. Paul

    July 23, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    Please what about our first amendment right. Heres the gov. Trying there best to control us and take away what some people.consider a release. Music is part of me just like most other people. Music is an escape, thats how local bands get noticed people walking by hearing that music. I love music and if they start taking that away there going to have an already more pissed off america. Were already getting our rights taken away, its music fuck.off government and actual do.your jobs and protect america. Ohh no hes playing a guitar without a permit. Get that shit out of here.

  24. donald rutledge, sgt

    July 23, 2013 at 8:57 pm

    as a retired military service member i’m tired of these over extended government Nazi’s who want to control all aspect of American citizens, these clowns need to be abolish along with the Patriot Act and these unconstitutional agencies who fail to uphold their oath.

    • Michael Martin

      July 23, 2013 at 9:47 pm

      Don, it’s so good to hear from Military personnel. You guys have seen first hand what are the beginnings of fascist governments. We need your help to truly spread the awareness.

  25. mary graves

    July 23, 2013 at 9:12 pm

    You do not have a right to take away our music.. my grand baby listens to get nursery rhymes and I listen to my music and play it as loud as I want..music is good for the soul. It is a way each of us express ourselves.. leave us and our music alone.. I love rock and roll put another dime in the jukebox baby.. I listen to all music and I sing along with the radio. Let us express ourselves through the music..

  26. Michael Martin

    July 23, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    Here is the Code that the DHS is using to justify this action. As you read you’ll see that this primarily reads about large outdoor events. At the end of the code there is one line that reads “or a place where persons are employed” which they’re using to get into every business.

    http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/2010/title22/ar14/ch3.html

  27. Andrew Horning

    July 24, 2013 at 12:27 am

    So…shall we stage a live music/dancing event in downtown Indianapolis, or at the statehouse?
    I’ll bring my banjo and bagpipes.

  28. Aaron

    July 24, 2013 at 12:29 am

    I read the code that you’ve linked. It may be the wrong link, because it mostly reads about schools and not large outdoor events needing fire inspections for the purposes of amusement and entertainment. I also didn’t see where it says “or a place where persons are employed”. Please send the correct link, as this makes for a confusing post. I hope that everyone who has posted a comment here has read the Indiana Code here as well, otherwise its just a case of your heart being in the right place but your brain being somewhere else. This seems a lot like someone with an agenda trying to whip the masses into a frenzy. Hmm… Speaking of Nazism and Fascism… Have a good day, and please read the Code! 🙂

    • Michael Martin

      July 25, 2013 at 5:34 pm

      Thank you Aaron for taking the time to read it. It is not someone trying to get people into a frenzy. This is a reality. Have you ever had The Dept of Homeland Security show up at your business and demand money?
      I understand and appreciate the skepticism and debate about my posting about The Department of Homeland Security making it illegal to play music in The United States. Here is a list of the remarks to my post and I will answer each and show the proof of my previous post. Thank you for caring.

      1. Is this The State or Federal Department of Homeland Security? I personally am dealing with The Indiana Department of Homeland Security for my hearing on Aug. 2nd, 2013 at 11:00am. This is an Indiana Law. The Indiana Department of Homeland Security is part of the broader Federal Department of Homeland Security. I do not know each state’s Homeland Security Laws or authority with their respective Fire Marshalls. The Indiana Department of Homeland Security is now over The Indiana State Fire Marshall. Attached is their letter head where they are both clearly marked. The State level Departments of Homeland Security report to the Federal Department of Homeland Security making all State level DHS effectively State Agents of The Federal Department of Homeland Security. The DHS came about after the attacks of September, 11 2001. The reason they attach to the State Fire Marshall is because that puts them in EVERY PUBLIC COMMERCIAL BUILDING which means every business in The United States. There is no federal agency with the authority to do that. In fact there are state and federal laws which govern the size and revenue of companies that become under federal jurisdiction. Most of those laws are aimed at keeping the Federal Government out of small business. Which moves on to question 2…

      2. Is this required for all buildings? No! Only PUBLIC COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS which means every business in every state that uses the Fire Marshall and Department of Homeland Security together. This means EVERY MUSIC VENUE because all places that play music to the public are COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. This means every place that is not a private residence is subject to this.

      3. Has The Fire Marshall already done an inspection of Folly Moon? Yes! During our Fire Marshall Inspection we were cited for not having an “Amusement & Entertainment Permit”, which according to The Fire Marshall was according to The Department of Homeland Security. Here is a link to the Indiana Code. Note: to find all of the wording I have described in my original post you must also follow the sections that reference another part of the code to read the actual law that is being used. This is a technique used to make it difficult for average citizens or even voting public representatives to understand.

      4. Here are the exact codes and the other parts of the codes that the code which I am cited for references.

      I am cited on my Fire Marshall report to be in violation of: http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/2010/title22/ar14/ch3.html

      The above code also references these codes to justify it’s authority to carry out this action:Note: to find all of the wording I have described in my original post you must also follow the sections that reference another part of the code to read the actual law that is being used. This is a technique used to make it difficult for average citizens or even voting public representatives to understand.

      http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title22/ar12/ch1.html – What are “regulated places of entertainment” according to DHS and Fire Safety
      http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title22/ar12/ch1.html – What are “outdoor performances”

      5. What Info Do they want from business, corporations, llcs, partnerships and building owners (of which no one but the irs gets access to unless you are involved in a lawsuit) IC 22-14-3-3http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/2010/title22/ar14/ch3.html

      Again as applied to The Indiana Department of Homeland Security and enforced through State Firemarshalls it is illegal to play live music in The United States in a COMMERCIAL PUBLIC BUILDING OR OUTDOORS. This law, I believe, if researched is being used in other states also. I do not know because I have not done that research. I have to prepare for my hearing at The Indiana State House with The Department of Homeland Security.

  29. Kelly

    July 24, 2013 at 1:14 am

    Where is the hearing held?

    • Michael Martin

      July 25, 2013 at 5:36 pm

      The Indiana State House –

      Indiana Department of Homeland Security
      302 W. Washington St. Rm 246
      Indiana Government Center South
      Indianapolis, IN 46204

  30. BARBARA NULL

    July 24, 2013 at 1:48 am

    I think it is time for some reconstruction in this government. this is only a start to what they are going to start doing.

  31. Tim

    July 24, 2013 at 1:50 am

    Churches next?

    • Lee Chaon

      July 26, 2013 at 4:53 pm

      Hopefully along with with the rest of the radical right wing nut jobs that responsible for this type of spin on stories and fail to tell the whole story . Basically this is done by the state for the protection of the people , so before you incite a riot with misleading headlines tell the whole truth , instead you sound like Fox news and the rest of the conspiracy theorists around that only give part of the facts to sensationalize stories and further your own agenda. On a positive note I hear the FEMA camps have music playing 24 – 7 no permits required .

      • stephenwv

        July 27, 2013 at 2:25 am

        Lee Chaon It must be nice to think that the IRS targeting was not illegal or politically motivated. Wonderful that you have so much trust in government officials that they would never try to cover up embassy murders or illegal gun trafficking. Of course they would never by-pass congress and the will of the people with Presidential executive orders and Tzar proclamations thru regulations creating a virtual dictatorship. Who cares if laws are not specific. No government bureaucrat would ever use the loopholes for other than good. They are all selfless servants. Not to worry. These people are insane to think that anything resembling these things could ever happen. “In a time of universal deceit – telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”

        • Lee Chaon

          July 28, 2013 at 7:07 pm

          You just confirmed my point ,I read and research everything and unlike you I am not a sounding board for Faux Not the News or Alex Jones . First this was initiated by the fire marshals office a division of Indiana state department of homeland security , as far as trusting any branch of government, right now I worry more about the state of Indiana allowing BP to increase the amount of toxins that they dump in lake Michigan or which politician the Koch brothers will have bought and paid for next, I trust nobody in Government and I feel that the special Interest groups , big business,lobbyist and superpacs should be banned and politicians should be limited to the time they can serve. As far as you and the rest of the Illiteratti , I would advise you to read at least three different sources, on every story because there is, their side , the other side , and some where in the middle the truth and with a little common sense even you may be able to figure it out instead sounding like a parrot and following the rest of the sheep

  32. Lorene Roseberry

    July 24, 2013 at 2:42 am

    H@LL No – Enough is Enough. No more. This Is AMERICA – Wake Up America! Stand Up – Speak Up. This has to STOP!

  33. David McDougle

    July 24, 2013 at 3:08 am

    Using the law the way it is written would require businesses who had live music at an office party or a school concert to get a permit. That is BS.

  34. Czeshire cat

    July 24, 2013 at 7:11 am

    Then why does the USA keep creating all these organisations? Insist that the government has a serious look at whether it really needs multiple groups which perform similar tasks and drop the rest. Why do u need homeland security when you have police, FBI, CIA, army? Same with TSA and NSA.

    • Vladstein

      July 25, 2013 at 6:41 pm

      The United States government in original context was created with a check and balance system. It seems though if you look at the short history here in the United States, that this balance was upheld and followed by our government up to the point of the cold war and the assassination of JFK. Also take a look at some of the speeches and addresses different political leaders have given since then… asking that the world be contained in peace and reaching a one world order would justify this… so they say. Now that the government is ran by the super duper rich of the world, this agenda is being slowly put into place and they are using terrorism as its forefront to scare the people into quickly passing a “protection” plan for us. But in reality its just these select few elites as they call them in the world to gain control of a national government that has a state of the art military force to back its war game plans. Listen to some of the great music from the 60s and 70s and you will hear the musicians speaking out against this! I also agree that yes this law may be a “fire safety” protocol but it’s so bland in its statement of enforcement that any state or federal government needing money can use this to shake the pockets of business owners and public property owners alike… sounds like organized crime don’t you think? History repeats its self and I fear our government is way to tilted to one side and needs to be re balanced by people that care for this country and not what can go into their personal bank account or investment portfolio! Best of luck to you and hope people will start to rock the boat in this country so that fascism does not take the roots of the freedom that were planted with our forefathers!

      • Lee Chaon

        July 28, 2013 at 7:10 pm

        Well said one of the best post I have read in here yet .

  35. winno janssen

    July 24, 2013 at 9:02 am

    This is just another sign of the things to come worldwide!It is not going to be pretty and it is about time we are getting ready to protect our rights and fight…hi to the guys at NSA and Homeland security,yes you know who you are!

  36. Gary L Canterbury

    July 24, 2013 at 10:24 am

    This is the right-wing religious influence.

    Control the music, you pick what music can be played. Bring on the hymns and “christian” rock.

    Control the military [they already do] and they’re one step closer to “The Fellowship’s” new United Theocracy of America.

    Death to religion.

  37. Joe H

    July 24, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    I can’t find anything that says “or a place where persons are employed”, nor any mention of homeland security.

    • Michael Martin

      July 25, 2013 at 5:38 pm

      Joe, I have attached all of the documents here. I read several pages of codes and references to other codes which is one way that laws are written to make them harder to understand for common folks are the representatives who are supposed to be representing us.
      I understand and appreciate the skepticism and debate about my posting about The Department of Homeland Security making it illegal to play music in The United States. Here is a list of the remarks to my post and I will answer each and show the proof of my previous post. Thank you for caring.

      1. Is this The State or Federal Department of Homeland Security? I personally am dealing with The Indiana Department of Homeland Security for my hearing on Aug. 2nd, 2013 at 11:00am. This is an Indiana Law. The Indiana Department of Homeland Security is part of the broader Federal Department of Homeland Security. I do not know each state’s Homeland Security Laws or authority with their respective Fire Marshalls. The Indiana Department of Homeland Security is now over The Indiana State Fire Marshall. Attached is their letter head where they are both clearly marked. The State level Departments of Homeland Security report to the Federal Department of Homeland Security making all State level DHS effectively State Agents of The Federal Department of Homeland Security. The DHS came about after the attacks of September, 11 2001. The reason they attach to the State Fire Marshall is because that puts them in EVERY PUBLIC COMMERCIAL BUILDING which means every business in The United States. There is no federal agency with the authority to do that. In fact there are state and federal laws which govern the size and revenue of companies that become under federal jurisdiction. Most of those laws are aimed at keeping the Federal Government out of small business. Which moves on to question 2…

      2. Is this required for all buildings? No! Only PUBLIC COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS which means every business in every state that uses the Fire Marshall and Department of Homeland Security together. This means EVERY MUSIC VENUE because all places that play music to the public are COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. This means every place that is not a private residence is subject to this.

      3. Has The Fire Marshall already done an inspection of Folly Moon? Yes! During our Fire Marshall Inspection we were cited for not having an “Amusement & Entertainment Permit”, which according to The Fire Marshall was according to The Department of Homeland Security. Here is a link to the Indiana Code. Note: to find all of the wording I have described in my original post you must also follow the sections that reference another part of the code to read the actual law that is being used. This is a technique used to make it difficult for average citizens or even voting public representatives to understand.

      4. Here are the exact codes and the other parts of the codes that the code which I am cited for references.

      I am cited on my Fire Marshall report to be in violation of: http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/2010/title22/ar14/ch3.html

      The above code also references these codes to justify it’s authority to carry out this action:Note: to find all of the wording I have described in my original post you must also follow the sections that reference another part of the code to read the actual law that is being used. This is a technique used to make it difficult for average citizens or even voting public representatives to understand.

      http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title22/ar12/ch1.html – What are “regulated places of entertainment” according to DHS and Fire Safety
      http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title22/ar12/ch1.html – What are “outdoor performances”

      5. What Info Do they want from business, corporations, llcs, partnerships and building owners (of which no one but the irs gets access to unless you are involved in a lawsuit) IC 22-14-3-3http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/2010/title22/ar14/ch3.html

      Again as applied to The Indiana Department of Homeland Security and enforced through State Firemarshalls it is illegal to play live music in The United States in a COMMERCIAL PUBLIC BUILDING OR OUTDOORS. This law, I believe, if researched is being used in other states also. I do not know because I have not done that research. I have to prepare for my hearing at The Indiana State House with The Department of Homeland Security.

    • Michael Martin

      July 25, 2013 at 5:40 pm

      To see The Department of Homeland Security just go to the Fire Marshall’s Website which has it listed under Homeland Security. http://www.in.gov/dhs/2445.htm

      • sachin

        July 25, 2013 at 10:29 pm

        I don’t see any evidence for this statement:
        “The Indiana Department of Homeland Security is part of the broader Federal Department of Homeland Security.”

        Why do you insist on calling this state agency DHS, inciting further confusion among all the commenters who believe you’re actually talking about the federal agency?
        http://www.in.gov/dhs/2358.htm

  38. Brian

    July 24, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    We can’t have them Irish playing their disquietin’ songs of unrest and treason in the pubs, mind ya. Its liable to instigate an uprisin’.

    • Frank Snider

      July 26, 2013 at 3:56 pm

      Eliminate the possibility of protest songs like those popular in the 60’s

  39. Joel Collazo

    July 24, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    WTF! Is this what “Freedom” means? Is this why all of our
    solders are fighting and dying for. WE NEED TO STOP THIS!
    Let everyone know what is really going on and stop this BS.

    • Duncan McNeil

      July 27, 2013 at 6:04 pm

      No, there are no soldiers currently fighting for our “freedom.” At some point you’ve been misled, I think. This is also only applicable in Indiana.

  40. Chris

    July 24, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    I hope everyone is noticing that countries like Russia are gaining more rights, while we are losing more rights. This is not a free country anymore. Everyone, please get that into your head and vote out these people.

    • Duncan McNeil

      July 27, 2013 at 6:05 pm

      No, Russians are losing rights, not gaining them. This is about safety in Indiana.

  41. Jeep

    July 24, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    I am a street performer. It’s called freedom of speech . They give them selfs the right to reasonable regulate that. This dosen’t sound like they have reason.

  42. Lee

    July 24, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    Does anyone miss G. W. Bush yet?

    • Heather

      July 26, 2013 at 8:58 pm

      Lee, I hope you’re being sarcastic. Bush 2.0 was the president who pushed the patriot act through congress. Long before Obama was ever elected. DHS was founded immediately after 9/11. Thank the right wing nuts for this. They are the ones attempting to supress the population in order to make more profit for themselves. Most of you have fallen for their propaganda. It should be us against them. They’ve made it us against us. Until people realize the truth that the ultra rich are trying to squash us, there is no hope.

  43. RS

    July 24, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    ARE THEY OUT OF THEIR FRICKIN MINDS??????…..screw DHS and anyone else associated with them….come and get US.

  44. Bennett

    July 24, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    Is this a joke????????

    • Michael Martin

      July 24, 2013 at 7:25 pm

      No this is not a joke. My hearing is on Aug. 2nd at The Indianapolis State house.

  45. PSUSA

    July 24, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    FYI, two important points.

    The USA PATRIOT Act and the Homeland Security Act were two different laws passed around the same time. Both are Federal laws.

    You are dealing with the IDHS, a state agency, not federal.

    • Michael Martin

      July 25, 2013 at 5:33 pm

      Thanks for pointing out the two separate laws.
      I understand and appreciate the skepticism and debate about my posting about The Department of Homeland Security making it illegal to play music in The United States. Here is a list of the remarks to my post and I will answer each and show the proof of my previous post. Thank you for caring.

      1. Is this The State or Federal Department of Homeland Security? I personally am dealing with The Indiana Department of Homeland Security for my hearing on Aug. 2nd, 2013 at 11:00am. This is an Indiana Law. The Indiana Department of Homeland Security is part of the broader Federal Department of Homeland Security. I do not know each state’s Homeland Security Laws or authority with their respective Fire Marshalls. The Indiana Department of Homeland Security is now over The Indiana State Fire Marshall. Attached is their letter head where they are both clearly marked. The State level Departments of Homeland Security report to the Federal Department of Homeland Security making all State level DHS effectively State Agents of The Federal Department of Homeland Security. The DHS came about after the attacks of September, 11 2001. The reason they attach to the State Fire Marshall is because that puts them in EVERY PUBLIC COMMERCIAL BUILDING which means every business in The United States. There is no federal agency with the authority to do that. In fact there are state and federal laws which govern the size and revenue of companies that become under federal jurisdiction. Most of those laws are aimed at keeping the Federal Government out of small business. Which moves on to question 2…

      2. Is this required for all buildings? No! Only PUBLIC COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS which means every business in every state that uses the Fire Marshall and Department of Homeland Security together. This means EVERY MUSIC VENUE because all places that play music to the public are COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. This means every place that is not a private residence is subject to this.

      3. Has The Fire Marshall already done an inspection of Folly Moon? Yes! During our Fire Marshall Inspection we were cited for not having an “Amusement & Entertainment Permit”, which according to The Fire Marshall was according to The Department of Homeland Security. Here is a link to the Indiana Code. Note: to find all of the wording I have described in my original post you must also follow the sections that reference another part of the code to read the actual law that is being used. This is a technique used to make it difficult for average citizens or even voting public representatives to understand.

      4. Here are the exact codes and the other parts of the codes that the code which I am cited for references.

      I am cited on my Fire Marshall report to be in violation of: http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/2010/title22/ar14/ch3.html

      The above code also references these codes to justify it’s authority to carry out this action:Note: to find all of the wording I have described in my original post you must also follow the sections that reference another part of the code to read the actual law that is being used. This is a technique used to make it difficult for average citizens or even voting public representatives to understand.

      http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title22/ar12/ch1.html – What are “regulated places of entertainment” according to DHS and Fire Safety
      http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title22/ar12/ch1.html – What are “outdoor performances”

      5. What Info Do they want from business, corporations, llcs, partnerships and building owners (of which no one but the irs gets access to unless you are involved in a lawsuit) IC 22-14-3-3http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/2010/title22/ar14/ch3.html

      Again as applied to The Indiana Department of Homeland Security and enforced through State Firemarshalls it is illegal to play live music in The United States in a COMMERCIAL PUBLIC BUILDING OR OUTDOORS. This law, I believe, if researched is being used in other states also. I do not know because I have not done that research. I have to prepare for my hearing at The Indiana State House with The Department of Homeland Security.

      • Lesley

        July 26, 2013 at 9:15 pm

        You seem to be trying to implicate the US Department of Homeland Security, however, all the statutes you are citing are Indiana Statutes, and the letter you have specifically refers to the Indiana Department of Homeland Security…

  46. Pingback: Illegal to play live music in Indiana without a permit from IN Homeland Security

    • Patricia Hyde

      July 26, 2013 at 11:33 pm

      Creeping Sharia Law. No Music in Sharia Law. Wake up and make the connection.

  47. ImGnomebody

    July 24, 2013 at 8:35 pm

    First off, EVERYONE should READ FOR YOURSELF the Code which Mr. Martin is writing about.
    Seondly, the link that you provide is not the entire Code. READ THE WHOLE CODE before you begin spouting First Amendment Rights.
    Third…this has NOTHING to do with playing music. It has EVERYTHING to do with providing a safe environment for patrons to enjoy entertainment, whether it be plays, concerts, strip clubs, etc. With this litigious society we live in, I would much rather have a venue be inspected by the STATE FIRE MARSHAL, which happens to fall under the purview of the STATE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY.
    If you were an owner of a entertainment venue, you should already have annual inspection from the local Fire Marshal. This is nothing new.

    • Thatonedude

      July 25, 2013 at 8:46 am

      I am GLAD somebody finally stated this fact. don’t lose your heads just yet. as with most things posted on the interwebs they get blown far out of proportion.

      • Michael Martin

        July 25, 2013 at 5:32 pm

        You really need to understand the implications of this law. I understand and appreciate the skepticism and debate about my posting about The Department of Homeland Security making it illegal to play music in The United States. Here is a list of the remarks to my post and I will answer each and show the proof of my previous post. Thank you for caring.

        1. Is this The State or Federal Department of Homeland Security? I personally am dealing with The Indiana Department of Homeland Security for my hearing on Aug. 2nd, 2013 at 11:00am. This is an Indiana Law. The Indiana Department of Homeland Security is part of the broader Federal Department of Homeland Security. I do not know each state’s Homeland Security Laws or authority with their respective Fire Marshalls. The Indiana Department of Homeland Security is now over The Indiana State Fire Marshall. Attached is their letter head where they are both clearly marked. The State level Departments of Homeland Security report to the Federal Department of Homeland Security making all State level DHS effectively State Agents of The Federal Department of Homeland Security. The DHS came about after the attacks of September, 11 2001. The reason they attach to the State Fire Marshall is because that puts them in EVERY PUBLIC COMMERCIAL BUILDING which means every business in The United States. There is no federal agency with the authority to do that. In fact there are state and federal laws which govern the size and revenue of companies that become under federal jurisdiction. Most of those laws are aimed at keeping the Federal Government out of small business. Which moves on to question 2…

        2. Is this required for all buildings? No! Only PUBLIC COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS which means every business in every state that uses the Fire Marshall and Department of Homeland Security together. This means EVERY MUSIC VENUE because all places that play music to the public are COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. This means every place that is not a private residence is subject to this.

        3. Has The Fire Marshall already done an inspection of Folly Moon? Yes! During our Fire Marshall Inspection we were cited for not having an “Amusement & Entertainment Permit”, which according to The Fire Marshall was according to The Department of Homeland Security. Here is a link to the Indiana Code. Note: to find all of the wording I have described in my original post you must also follow the sections that reference another part of the code to read the actual law that is being used. This is a technique used to make it difficult for average citizens or even voting public representatives to understand.

        4. Here are the exact codes and the other parts of the codes that the code which I am cited for references.

        I am cited on my Fire Marshall report to be in violation of: http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/2010/title22/ar14/ch3.html

        The above code also references these codes to justify it’s authority to carry out this action:Note: to find all of the wording I have described in my original post you must also follow the sections that reference another part of the code to read the actual law that is being used. This is a technique used to make it difficult for average citizens or even voting public representatives to understand.

        http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title22/ar12/ch1.html – What are “regulated places of entertainment” according to DHS and Fire Safety
        http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title22/ar12/ch1.html – What are “outdoor performances”

        5. What Info Do they want from business, corporations, llcs, partnerships and building owners (of which no one but the irs gets access to unless you are involved in a lawsuit) IC 22-14-3-3http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/2010/title22/ar14/ch3.html

        Again as applied to The Indiana Department of Homeland Security and enforced through State Firemarshalls it is illegal to play live music in The United States in a COMMERCIAL PUBLIC BUILDING OR OUTDOORS. This law, I believe, if researched is being used in other states also. I do not know because I have not done that research. I have to prepare for my hearing at The Indiana State House with The Department of Homeland Security.

        • DHS supporter

          July 26, 2013 at 1:27 am

          DHS was created for the purpose of keeping US citizens safe. DHS has many facets two major are mitigation and preparation. Mitigation would be what can be done to prevent a disaster (man made or natural) and preparation meaning what happens after a disaster. Another part is the constant review of polices and procedures. There was a huge loss of life in Indiana. The STATE DHS has the responsibility to mitigate and prevent this from happening again. In turn this creates new “rules,laws guidelines.” They are created to protect. This isn’t some huge conspiracy to make everyone run back to “footloose” like situations. The idea was to keep a huge accident that killed many people from happening again. So before you choose to go off about DHS and how they take away your rights think about the families of all those people who died. I think anyone of them would rather had a fire marshal make sure the stage was safe than to have lost a loved one. Educate yourself on the grounds for DHS because it was not developed to piss people off.

          • OC

            July 26, 2013 at 7:00 pm

            What would your response be if this weekend, while providing live music, an electrical fire breaks out. Let’s say this fire is right next to the only easily accessible exit of your building. Your place burns up, people are severely hurt, and you have to pay for all of the expenses because you didn’t get a permit. Obviously this is a bit exaggerated, but I hope my point came across. These permits are for YOUR protection too.

          • Vladstein

            July 27, 2013 at 12:10 am

            To both of you DHS supporter and OC, a permit does not cover someone from paying for expenses due to damage. If this were true, I would much rather pay a $100 a month for this permit then to pay for insurance on the place and do you not think that insurance companies already take all of these hazards into consideration?? And as for DHS being there to protect us… where in the F were they in the Boston bombing and the school shootings we have had? Where is their protection against gang violence and why must they stick their noses in everyone’s butt holes just to make sure their farts are not fire hazardous?? You are of the ignorance in society that feels today in this age our government is for the people. Learn history and you might actually see a repeating event of unbalanced governments!

  48. Tif

    July 24, 2013 at 8:40 pm

    First…..they can kiss my ass….second…what does DHS have to do with MUSIC? I need to call Saul.

  49. Pingback: Change! Perverts! Cronyism! IRS! Failing! Police State!!! | Freedom Is Just Another Word...

  50. john

    July 24, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    OK, there is a protest song project you can participate in at this website. You should familiarize yourself with it.
    http://mycountrymyass.com

  51. Brittany Betch

    July 24, 2013 at 11:43 pm

    So to all the people that are saying it’s not about the live music and it’s about fire exits and “safety,” Why the hell would a business have to pay $100 a month to be “inspected” (or whatever the hell it is they have to do) to provide “safety”? They just want our money, like always! I’m pretty sure any venue or bar that has live music is going to have a freaking door and people are going to know where the exits are. As Mike Martin has said before, Folly Moon is a small bar that can only hold about 50 people. I’m pretty sure if there was a fire we would know where the doors are to get out. If the department of homeland security really wants to be a big dickhead, they should tax everyone in the U.S. that goes out and has a good time ANYWHERE and have them take “safety” classes. I’m pretty sure we all know safety procedures by now, as an adult. Or at least I would hope. Like I said, they just want our money and they’ll get it any way they can while also taking our rights away. Fuck that!

    • Michael Martin

      July 25, 2013 at 5:42 pm

      Thank you Brittney! Please see my response to all of these questions.

      • midas603@yahoo.com

        July 26, 2013 at 8:42 pm

        it’s not 100 per month.. it’s 100 per year.. how about we stick to the facts?

        • Michael Martin

          July 26, 2013 at 9:24 pm

          Correct. I never said it was a $100 per month. Thank you for caring enough to research and respond.

      • Claire

        July 27, 2013 at 3:46 pm

        You may not have stated $100 a month, but when you replied to Brittany thanking her for her lovely comment in support of you, you didn’t correct her.

        How about you stick to the facts, correct people when they misrepresent the facts and maybe you will have more people that support your position? Your position in a nutshell is that no matter how old the law is that states if you have entertainment you have to obtain a specific permit (in most cities and states it is called a cabaret license or similar, you don’t want to have to pay for this permit because you don’t agree with having to pay for another permit simply because you decided you wanted to be a live music venue. That is all fine and good – everyone gets a little frustrated over having to pay for permits and licenses – they are expensive and can be a paperwork nightmare.

        Stop with the fear-mongering and misleading headlines and glossing over the true facts of your position. Stop with the intentional and pathetic misrepresentation of the situation.

    • Danielle

      July 27, 2013 at 6:30 am

      Have you ever been in a fire, Brittany? In a crowd? In the dark? While loud music was playing? In a place where the only door you’re absolutely sure of is the one you walked in through, which may not be the one nearest you, or the one that isn’t blocked by fire or crowds? There’s a reason why nightclub fires are almost always incredibly deadly tragedies, and that’s why Fire Marshals nationwide are looking at various routes of mitigating the inherent dangers to make evenings out enjoying music less perilous.

      More importantly, though, there are a lot of issues being conflated in all of this.

      The Indiana Department of Homeland Security doesn’t exist because of the Patriot Act. Indiana could have created a DHS at any time before or after 9/11, they weren’t required to create one, nor to subordinate any particular government services to it, those were all choices made on the state level. State DHS departments aren’t a part of the federal DHS, that’s just not how government works. When they exist (not every state has a DHS, my state, Pennsylvania, does not) they cooperate with the federal DHS, but they aren’t an arm of it.

      Also, operating a live music venue in Indiana requires a permit, issued by the Fire Marshals which are a subdepartment of the DHS. That doesn’t mean that playing live music is illegal. It surely doesn’t mean that it’s “illegal to freely play music in the United States.” “You must have a particular permit” means that doing something is legal within certain limits, not that it’s illegal. You also need a permit (or a license) to operate a barber shop. That doesn’t make it illegal to cut someone’s hair. You need a liquor license to sell alcoholic drinks. That doesn’t make it illegal to give someone a beer.

      The histrionics here are true evidence of a lack of basic understanding of basic civics. Truly, it’s embarrassing.

      • Lee Chaon

        July 28, 2013 at 7:32 pm

        It is amazing how misinformation can bring out the illiteratti with their conspiracy theories and then get the rest of parrots echoing the same tune . Remember sheeple wear your tin foil hats and dont drink the Kool Aid .

  52. Steve

    July 25, 2013 at 12:49 am

    Really?? ….REALLY??? When did ASCAP, SESAC and BMI become a division of Homeland Security? Last I heard, nightclubs ALREADY pay a fee to those organizations for the right to have live music in their clubs.

  53. navid nilchian

    July 25, 2013 at 1:41 am

    FUCK THAT SHIT!!!

  54. Linda Anderson

    July 25, 2013 at 2:20 am

    I’m afraid to ask what they will do next.

  55. Joe T.

    July 25, 2013 at 2:30 am

    You do get that you’re dealing with the *Indiana* Department of Homeland Security, right? That’s a state agency that operates under the laws of the state of Indiana. They are not part of the federal DHS nor are they or federal DHS claiming jurisdiction over all live music in the US.

    • Michael Martin

      July 25, 2013 at 5:30 pm

      I understand and appreciate the skepticism and debate about my posting about The Department of Homeland Security making it illegal to play music in The United States. Here is a list of the remarks to my post and I will answer each and show the proof of my previous post. Thank you for caring.

      1. Is this The State or Federal Department of Homeland Security? I personally am dealing with The Indiana Department of Homeland Security for my hearing on Aug. 2nd, 2013 at 11:00am. This is an Indiana Law. The Indiana Department of Homeland Security is part of the broader Federal Department of Homeland Security. I do not know each state’s Homeland Security Laws or authority with their respective Fire Marshalls. The Indiana Department of Homeland Security is now over The Indiana State Fire Marshall. Attached is their letter head where they are both clearly marked. The State level Departments of Homeland Security report to the Federal Department of Homeland Security making all State level DHS effectively State Agents of The Federal Department of Homeland Security. The DHS came about after the attacks of September, 11 2001. The reason they attach to the State Fire Marshall is because that puts them in EVERY PUBLIC COMMERCIAL BUILDING which means every business in The United States. There is no federal agency with the authority to do that. In fact there are state and federal laws which govern the size and revenue of companies that become under federal jurisdiction. Most of those laws are aimed at keeping the Federal Government out of small business. Which moves on to question 2…

      2. Is this required for all buildings? No! Only PUBLIC COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS which means every business in every state that uses the Fire Marshall and Department of Homeland Security together. This means EVERY MUSIC VENUE because all places that play music to the public are COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. This means every place that is not a private residence is subject to this.

      3. Has The Fire Marshall already done an inspection of Folly Moon? Yes! During our Fire Marshall Inspection we were cited for not having an “Amusement & Entertainment Permit”, which according to The Fire Marshall was according to The Department of Homeland Security. Here is a link to the Indiana Code. Note: to find all of the wording I have described in my original post you must also follow the sections that reference another part of the code to read the actual law that is being used. This is a technique used to make it difficult for average citizens or even voting public representatives to understand.

      4. Here are the exact codes and the other parts of the codes that the code which I am cited for references.

      I am cited on my Fire Marshall report to be in violation of: http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/2010/title22/ar14/ch3.html

      The above code also references these codes to justify it’s authority to carry out this action:Note: to find all of the wording I have described in my original post you must also follow the sections that reference another part of the code to read the actual law that is being used. This is a technique used to make it difficult for average citizens or even voting public representatives to understand.

      http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title22/ar12/ch1.html – What are “regulated places of entertainment” according to DHS and Fire Safety
      http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title22/ar12/ch1.html – What are “outdoor performances”

      5. What Info Do they want from business, corporations, llcs, partnerships and building owners (of which no one but the irs gets access to unless you are involved in a lawsuit) IC 22-14-3-3http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/2010/title22/ar14/ch3.html

      Again as applied to The Indiana Department of Homeland Security and enforced through State Firemarshalls it is illegal to play live music in The United States in a COMMERCIAL PUBLIC BUILDING OR OUTDOORS. This law, I believe, if researched is being used in other states also. I do not know because I have not done that research. I have to prepare for my hearing at The Indiana State House with The Department of Homeland Security.

  56. R S Brown

    July 25, 2013 at 3:35 am

    This sounds like good fodder for a Saturday Night Live skit! I can see it now…a teen is skateboarding down a city street with his I-pod blasting and all of a sudden there is an explosion from above and instantly he finds himself 30 feet down in a blast crater all charred and smoking but still bopping to his music.

  57. richard bobday

    July 25, 2013 at 3:57 am

    We can’t use the Patriot Act to round up all the affiliated gand members of every gang in the US, but you can stop people from having live music. This moronic beyond the absurd.

  58. Michael Martin

    July 25, 2013 at 6:23 am

    I understand and appreciate the skepticism and debate about my posting about The Department of Homeland Security making it illegal to play music in The United States. Here is a list of the remarks to my post and I will answer each and show the proof of my previous post. Thank you for caring.

    1. Is this The State or Federal Department of Homeland Security? I personally am dealing with The Indiana Department of Homeland Security for my hearing on Aug. 2nd, 2013 at 11:00am. This is an Indiana Law. The Indiana Department of Homeland Security is part of the broader Federal Department of Homeland Security. I do not know each state’s Homeland Security Laws or authority with their respective Fire Marshalls. The Indiana Department of Homeland Security is now over The Indiana State Fire Marshall. Attached is their letter head where they are both clearly marked. The State level Departments of Homeland Security report to the Federal Department of Homeland Security making all State level DHS effectively State Agents of The Federal Department of Homeland Security. The DHS came about after the attacks of September, 11 2001. The reason they attach to the State Fire Marshall is because that puts them in EVERY PUBLIC COMMERCIAL BUILDING which means every business in The United States. There is no federal agency with the authority to do that. In fact there are state and federal laws which govern the size and revenue of companies that become under federal jurisdiction. Most of those laws are aimed at keeping the Federal Government out of small business. Which moves on to question 2…

    2. Is this required for all buildings? No! Only PUBLIC COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS which means every business in every state that uses the Fire Marshall and Department of Homeland Security together. This means EVERY MUSIC VENUE because all places that play music to the public are COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. This means every place that is not a private residence is subject to this.

    3. Has The Fire Marshall already done an inspection of Folly Moon? Yes! During our Fire Marshall Inspection we were cited for not having an “Amusement & Entertainment Permit”, which according to The Fire Marshall was according to The Department of Homeland Security. Here is a link to the Indiana Code. Note: to find all of the wording I have described in my original post you must also follow the sections that reference another part of the code to read the actual law that is being used. This is a technique used to make it difficult for average citizens or even voting public representatives to understand.

    4. Here are the exact codes and the other parts of the codes that the code which I am cited for references.

    I am cited on my Fire Marshall report to be in violation of: http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/2010/title22/ar14/ch3.html

    The above code also references these codes to justify it’s authority to carry out this action:Note: to find all of the wording I have described in my original post you must also follow the sections that reference another part of the code to read the actual law that is being used. This is a technique used to make it difficult for average citizens or even voting public representatives to understand.

    http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title22/ar12/ch1.html – What are “regulated places of entertainment” according to DHS and Fire Safety
    http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title22/ar12/ch1.html – What are “outdoor performances”

    5. What Info Do they want from business, corporations, llcs, partnerships and building owners (of which no one but the irs gets access to unless you are involved in a lawsuit) IC 22-14-3-3http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/2010/title22/ar14/ch3.html

    Again as applied to The Indiana Department of Homeland Security and enforced through State Firemarshalls it is illegal to play live music in The United States in a COMMERCIAL PUBLIC BUILDING OR OUTDOORS. This law, I believe, if researched is being used in other states also. I do not know because I have not done that research. I have to prepare for my hearing at The Indiana State House with The Department of Homeland Security.

    • cup

      July 26, 2013 at 7:44 am

      michael- i think that a lot of the (semi-negative) comments that you got from this article would never have happened if you had included all these links to your proof in the original article. All you supporters are intelligent people, and intelligent people need to see where ideas are coming from! otherwise, your supporters are just sheep- the same kind of sheep that are just accepting these laws without any fight at all. give us some credit. give us proof!
      I am against the DHS; but your article didn’t make me distrust them anymore- it only made me think that YOU think I’m an idiot and I’ll just believe anything posted on the internet that is in line with my viewpoint.

      • bryan robbs

        July 27, 2013 at 4:22 am

        This is the silliest thing I have EVER seen. There is not a single mention of DHS in any of the documentation – ALL of which is Indiana permit law. Not a single item you posted is federal law: a free clue might be the “IN” before each statute.

        The fact that so many simply took your word that this was some conspiracy by DHS amazes me even more. You obviously aren’t up to code and you’re trying to make some political uproar over your substandard physical plant and failure to follow permit law.

        There are many legitimate reasons to distrust anything enacted via the PATRIOT Act, but this ludicrous example of yours is just plain inane.

    • J. Dalton-Earls

      July 29, 2013 at 6:01 am

      Man you are so correct!! Michael Franti said this was coming years ago!!!

  59. Jessica

    July 25, 2013 at 6:45 am

    Ths is America…land of the free…or so it used to be. How many more of our rights do we have to fight to keep?! Ths is ridiculous. As an American im outraged at everythng going on in our country. If we dnt stand together as citizens…we may no longer have our country we so greatly love. We need to stop talkin n start acting on issues tht need to be taken care of.

  60. Russell Howe

    July 25, 2013 at 7:24 am

    I play music for free and this is an outrage!!

  61. carlos pires

    July 25, 2013 at 8:07 am

    I can´t believe they still do things like that there in USA! I’m portuguese and all over the world are trying to get off our freedom…same here! With those prohibitions the system start to cut off our capacity to shout out our fears and demands…it’s disgusting. Thank you for your work!
    ps-sorry my english

  62. Ray Gillon

    July 25, 2013 at 11:08 am

    It is a betrayal that the “Land of the Free” can treat its own people in such a manner. Shame on them. Will you all be spying on your neighbours, Stasi style soon? No music, no free speech, no liberty, no nothing? Not very promising is it?
    What happened to the sons of the real men that founded the US of A? The current tainted politicians are not fit to live in their shadows.

    • Jeff Perry

      July 26, 2013 at 12:42 am

      I totally agree with you and we should vote every single one of them out of office and vote for someone that isn’t representing a party or a political interest group but rather there to represent us as a people!!!

  63. M. Edward

    July 25, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    I see it also as a way to shut down churches since they have choirs, worship teams or just plain old singing out of a hymnal.

    • Michael Martin

      July 25, 2013 at 5:28 pm

      Churches are exempt from my understanding M. Edward.

  64. Donna DeVane

    July 25, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    Wow.. I’m floored. I’d love to have you join me on my radio show to talk about this. Respond please to the email address I left on this comment.

    Thank you,
    Donna DeVane
    Awakened Radio

  65. Natasha huff

    July 25, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    Wow this is just proving how maniacal this country is becoming as an abid music lover this deeply saddens me that soon enough going to a concert or festival will be a thing of the past. Great article disgusting government!

    • Natasha huff

      July 25, 2013 at 8:13 pm

      Typo is avid

  66. Pingback: Illegal to Play Music?! NOT COOL. | EDM Sauce

  67. Chazz Korvex

    July 25, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    This is really REALLY Retarded! Somebody needs to stop this from happening. How can I help?

  68. Mark

    July 25, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    Look, I ain’t got time to read the entire bill and all the replies and so on…so could someone just break this down real basic and quick like. They want to do what now? And why? What is the bill proposing and why. That’s what I’d like to know in 200 words or less. Please. Thanks.

    • Jeff H in CA

      July 26, 2013 at 10:56 pm

      It’s really just the State of Indiana consolidating all the work which is normally done by local fire chiefs into an umbrella agency which happens to be the Indiana Dept of Homeland Security, there’s a shortage of real terrorists up there so they gotta keep those boys working.

      But in the end it just looks like yet another “You Can’t Fight City Hall” dispute. They just have their hand out and want a hundred bucks a year for some silly permit, that’s all.

  69. Dan Barker

    July 25, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    They’ll just have to arrest me then. I’ll climb on my roof and plug in, turn it up as loud as I can. They can suck sweaty nutsack.

  70. Peter Barbeau

    July 25, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    the bottom line is public safety versus first amendment rights. I have won in court several times after receiving a ticket for playing music in public using a constitutional argument but the fight was very difficult. It is similar in every city in the USA. There is a lot of case law favoring live music including bars and restaurants.

  71. voodoo

    July 25, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    1. “The Indiana Department of Homeland Security is part of the broader Federal Department of Homeland Security.”

    ummmm NO. State and Federal governments are completely separate entities. The Constitution works that way. The Indianan DHS is a STATE agency and has no connection with the Federal government including the US DHS (other than having the same name)
    http://www.in.gov/dhs/2358.htm

    2. For whatever reason the State of Indianan has chosen to include Fire and Building Safety under the authority of the State DHS
    http://www.in.gov/dhs/3545.htm

    3. As someone who has worked in the nightclub and music promotion industries for 20 years, I can tell you that virtually all jurisdictions have specific safety and permitting requirements for business that present live music that differ from the requirements for other types of business.

    These requirement do not in any way make live music illegal. Any business that passes the safety inspections and obtains the permits is free to persent live music.

    Far form being intend to prevent the playing of live music, these regulations are essential to its continued existence by ensure the safety of the customers, and employees of the business presenting the live music as well as the artists themselves.

    You appear to be a business owner who is seeking to increase his revenues by presenting live music at you business. I commend you for your dedication to the arts and your entrepreneurial spirit.

    However the fact that you balk at taking the steps required by law to ensure the safety of your customers employees and performers is disturbing to say the least.

    Further, your attempts to obscure that fact that you are placing profits above human lives, by claiming the US DHS is making live music illegal is beyond reprehensible.

    Please get your safety inspections and permits , and put on a great show.

    • voodoo

      July 25, 2013 at 11:19 pm

      Al you have to do is pay $99, tell them

      (A) the applicant’s full name and address;
      (B) the full name and address of each of the applicant’s partners (if the applicant is a partnership), members or managers, if any (if the applicant is a limited liability company), and principal officers (if the applicant is a corporation);
      (C) an indication of whether the applicant is an owner, lessee, occupant, or agent for the place covered by the application;
      (D) a description of the place covered by the application, including a description of every building and room covered by the application; and
      (E) any information required under the commission’s rules;
      (
      and demonstrate through an inspection that the place covered by the application complies with applicable fire safety laws.

  72. Alicia

    July 25, 2013 at 10:44 pm

    I support

  73. Sarah

    July 25, 2013 at 10:46 pm

    THIS IS COMPLETE AND UTTER BULLSHIT! IS THIS EVEN AMERICA ANYMORE?!?!

  74. Dennis

    July 25, 2013 at 11:00 pm

    Yea, this is harsh reality in some countries already. In Latvia they fine any business $500 if a radio or any kind of music player is playing music inside its premises or out.

  75. Matthew Van Vleet

    July 25, 2013 at 11:01 pm

    I am absolutely on your side on this issue. I’m a musician and a fan of live music, a supporter of local music, and I strongly support our right to express ourselves through the medium of music. If there is any way that I can help vote out this outrageous claim of the DHS with my voice or vote, I will give that support.

  76. Jerry Hirschinger

    July 26, 2013 at 12:36 am

    Equating a simple revenue-generating permit process at the State level with Federal control of live music is a severe exaggeration. The ‘headline’ of this thread is total BS. There are several hundred bars in Indiana who are NOT going to a hearing, because they are not sky-is-falling crackpots. Just pay the fee, get the permit, and deduct it from your income for tax purposes as a cost of doing business like every one else does. BTW, you also need a BMI license if the musicians play any non-original work.

  77. Jeff Perry

    July 26, 2013 at 12:37 am

    This is an outrage! A ridiculous abuse of powers that should have been stripped and returned years ago! The patriot act and it’s powers was a travesty to our constitution and our American way of life! A total violation of our civil liberties and a horrible abuse of power by our government! Our forefathers are rolling over in their graves watching this country get sucked down a bureaucratic septic pipe! We should be ashamed of ourselves as citizens for allowing our politicians to take over our country as we stand idly by watching and doing nothing!!
    Get off your butts! Go to the poles! Call your congressperson and tell them if they don’t start voting the way we as Americans want them to vote, voting for the good of the country and the people that live in it then you will find someone who will! They are there for one purpose and one purpose only and that is to represent the voters in the manner WE SO SEE FIT!

    THE ONLY PERSON YOU HAVE TO BLAME IS YOURSELF IF YOU DIDN’T PARTICIPATE IN YOUR LOCAL ELECTIONS!!

  78. J.c. Miller

    July 26, 2013 at 12:59 am

    2 words. Fuck that. Music is Freedom and you will give me Freedom or give me death. You have my support.

  79. Tim Berglund

    July 26, 2013 at 1:28 am

    All I wish to say about this foolishness from “Home/Land Security is ” Fuck em’….

  80. Garold Bisconer

    July 26, 2013 at 1:34 am

    People have agreed to foolish things like this before. I’m sure people would FREAK OUT when they find out they have to get a permit so they can have music at a birthday party… I hope people realize what this REALLY means. This would kill all music of from being made…look how big music is in America a large part of the money that is made in America is from people making music. We need to stop passing laws and fighting for laws that are destroying the country. if everybodystop having successful business in this country you might not think so but you’re going to see some serious riots and it’s not going to be funny… broke people that live in a broke country destroyed by the government are not very fun people especially when you’re used to having it!

  81. General Zod

    July 26, 2013 at 1:34 am

    Guys this is the most ridiculous assertion yet. This would be more strong armed then anything that they would do in North Korea. It would be all over the news. That story wouldn’t be kept secret. ” USA Bans playing music outdoors and and at work”. The Country that gave the World the biggest music stars.

    This is stupid bullshit. You can’t possibly fall for this crap.

  82. Mickey Murfy

    July 26, 2013 at 1:48 am

  83. Duncan

    July 26, 2013 at 1:55 am

    I feel the need to set up a show and get as many live artists as possible in on it. This needs protesting.

  84. Norman Walker

    July 26, 2013 at 2:29 am

    This is only the beginning folks. This will spread like wildfire. I say Homeland Security can kiss our asses!!!

  85. JENNIFER BERG

    July 26, 2013 at 2:30 am

    I could understand having sound level restrictions after 10pm at night if its near a residential area where houses are nearby and people are sleeping. But to ban music all together, without a permit, is going a little to far. As long as its not too loud, why cant we express ourselves?

  86. Dorian Ferguson

    July 26, 2013 at 3:35 am

    We the people need to stop funding these people! What happened to the balls of John Q Public? We don’t HAVE to put up with this. Question is, how much more has to happen before people STAND UP?!?

  87. pyro0ownz

    July 26, 2013 at 3:37 am

    homeland can eat my sac they can start paying us the american people to exist if not they can take their terrorist asses the fuck back where they came from

  88. J

    July 26, 2013 at 4:35 am

    The title of this article is misleading because it’s not entirely true. There’s no doubt the the size and scope of federal bureaucracy is frustrating in individual cases, and I completely understand your frustration (I work in state bureaucracy). However, it is not illegal to freely play music in the United States. It is, as far as I can tell, illegal to operate a live music event in a public place in Indiana without an “Amusement and Entertainment permit” that ensures that the proper procedures which protect the public are in place for a particular location. And following the most logical deduction, the reason it’s illegal to do the above is because when business owners don’t have proper procedures in place, bad things (like fires) may happen.

    If you want to live in a “free” society where you don’t have to get permits to do things and you don’t have to worry about , I would recommend moving to Somalia, where they don’t even have a government to issue and enforce permits! Myself on the other hand, I’ll continue to be in a country where, although I might be inconvenienced by my government, at least I don’t have to bribe the Somalian rebel lord, that feels like giving me trouble because he doesn’t like the music I’m playing in my bar.

    I think your intentions and your heart are right. It sucks that other people suck at doing things and ruin it for everyone, and force all of society to get permits to do things and be bothered and inconvenienced by the government. I honestly am extremely bugged by the fact that you have to get a permit to speak freely in most cities in America. But that doesn’t mean free speech is illegal.

    (P.S. Just as you kindly close your responses, thank you for caring. My main criticism is that the title of your article is misleading, since I am of most dedication to truth and honesty. I know the title isn’t true, at least not for the entire U.S., because I’m having my own live concert on a friend’s private farm, and the country permit office said that since it was invitation only on private land, no permit was required. We did need to have a permit to build a stage of any size, though… Again, I understand. But it bothers me that your title is misleading and just plain incorrect in its entirety)

  89. Howard Smith

    July 26, 2013 at 4:39 am

    They will never get away with this. I’ll never bend over for them, and they will never take my music while I’m living and breathing. I’ll go down fighting…I promise. You’ll have to take my guitar from my dead hands DHS. Go to hell with this idea, and you’ll die trying to enforce it. I’ll go play in Costa Rica before this happens.

  90. Matt

    July 26, 2013 at 5:03 am

    Wow, all i have to say is ridiculous!!!! I cant see DHS at any festivals holding things down without taking things out of hand. You have my love and support friend! Do us justice in there! We are all human beings, and music has been and always will be apart of our culture, no matter what restrictions they apply. They cant take the music away.

  91. Bryan Wayne Perry

    July 26, 2013 at 5:15 am

    Business should have to pay to play music globally not just in AMERICA! PERIOD END OF IT.

    • Michael Martin

      July 26, 2013 at 9:39 pm

      THis is not a publishing issue Bryan. This is to play even my own music in my own venue. But thank you for caring enough to comment. It is through true political debate that we will have a true democracy. This is to play a live instrument in any commercial building in Indiana. My personal music included. http://www.michaelmartinband.com

  92. Joe Schmillon

    July 26, 2013 at 5:54 am

    You guys are crazy. This is obviously fake onion news…. I can’t believe how ignorant someone can be. and what it is probably about is some person getting mad because I complained that they play their guitar late at night and they got in trouble for waking me up with their horrible guitar racket.
    why don’t you follow news that is actually important like ending Racism in our country. White people like Zimmerman be hating on us blacks.

  93. Paul Stalka

    July 26, 2013 at 7:23 am


    Absolute Bullshit…This will never stick

  94. psmitty

    July 26, 2013 at 8:15 am

    Wait I didn’t vote for homeland security….I’m pretty sure you’re mostly unwanted by us citizens…so I officially unappoint you from your unamerican duty……when did our government change from by the people for the people…to …by the nazis to the people….take your rights depleting bullshit to china where they are used to being told when to crap! Tomorrow I’m gonna plug in my guitar, and I’m going to exercise my right to sing about your Idiotic permit bullshit. Go sell hitler somewhere else…there’s more of us than there are of you, and correct me if I’m wrong but the people make the rules…. you tools are supposed to follow them…so who’s really breaking the law here? The people havent really had a say in a long time and I think the people are starting to get pissed at the way you guys do whatever you want. Its not what we the people want so go FY

  95. Chris

    July 26, 2013 at 8:45 am

    Here’s what to say to these kinds of scumbags during the hearing:
    http://removingtheshackles.blogspot.dk/2013/07/update-on-kiri-summary-of-all-info-and.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed:+RemovingTheShackles+%28Removing+The+Shackles%29
    I suggest you read the whole story so you know who you are and that they have no authority whatsoever.
    You could also use the courtesy notices from i-uv.com to avoid a hearing altogether.
    In both cases you need to stand your ground!
    All the best!

  96. Tim

    July 26, 2013 at 9:28 am

    To be completely honest, something like this has been going on in Holland for ages. It’s called Buma Stemra. This organisation receives money everytime a commercial song is being placed in a public area.

    Imagine a commercial dance event. Let’s say this event takes from 23:00 tot 04:00. This will cost you about 30/40 euros for all the music that had been played.

    Buma Stemra is a huge organisation here in Holland. Due to recent scandals though, we now know it’s just one big maffia-like corporation.

    Stand tall America, don’t let the same happen to you!

  97. TONY VASQUEZ

    July 26, 2013 at 11:04 am

    WHATS NEXT , THEY TAKE A CUT FROM OUR PAY . MAKE PAY TAXES ON PROPERTY WE BUY WITH THE MONEY LEFT OVER AFTER THEY TAX US . SO THE GETK US TO PAY DOUBLE TAXES . , NOW THEY WANNA BE PROTECTING US BY THIS CRAP . WHEN YOU TAKE TO MUCH PEOPLE WILL END UP REBELING ,

    • madeuce42

      July 26, 2013 at 4:15 pm

      only a question of when

  98. Pingback: Illegal to Play Music?! NOT COOL. EDM Live

    • madeuce42

      July 26, 2013 at 4:13 pm

      It is not America anymore it is Obamaland what all his fool supporters voted for this is HIS MANDATE

      • JimmyJames

        July 27, 2013 at 1:36 pm

        It’s not just Obama. The Patriot Act was inacted during the Bush administration. Don’t be an ignorant. It’s not one person, it’s the whole system.

  99. Flame

    July 26, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    It seems to me that this is an issue that well-known, professional musicians would jump on. Have any jumped on the bandwagon?

  100. The odor

    July 26, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    Well damn, I smell bullshit after reading the first couple of lines. Who makes up shit like this?

    “They have purposefully and misleadingly attached themselves to The Fire Marshall”…What?

    Where is the reference to actual case law or anything that gives this ‘story’ any type of credibility. There is NONE.

  101. RJSW

    July 26, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    Think about this. It SEEMS that the intent is to have the Fire Marshals inspect the locations where live music is played to make sure they are safe, especially if there are pyrotechnics involved. There would be no possible way to regulate the actual music – that would be a violation of Freedom of Speech. Can you imaging the incredible job it would be to make sure the music played is “approved?” There would be no way. Looks like some clarifications need to be made.

  102. Alan

    July 26, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    Reading this made me laugh out loud. Some dumbass “claims” homeland security is attacking his business, and most of the people posting on here believe his twisted bullshit.

    This is nothing more than the State Fire Marshall making sure that venues are safe for the public. They have been doing that for 200 years. Wake up people. The level of stupidity is AMAZING.

    I have been an event promoter for 40 years and many times permits are required for events. That is all this is talking about.

  103. Pingback: Homeland Security is Now Regulating Live Entertainment | FrankColeman.com

  104. Vote With Your Pocketbook

    July 26, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    This establishment’s motives are not the problem, many of you are missing the bigger picture. Homeland Security should have no jurisdiction in this case. Homeland Security is taking it upon themselves to enforce laws in every state, laws that should be left for the state. If we continue to allow this trend, they will basically have control over, not only live music, but basically every aspect of society. This will allow the executive branch of government total control. In other words, sanctioned dictatorial fascism.

  105. Pingback: Homeland Security is Now Regulating Live Entertainment  Dark Politricks

  106. Sandy Schwieterman

    July 26, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    What possible need to does the DHS have in music performance? Other than the scurrilous attitude that music is dangerous if unfettered? Good god. Let me know how I can help.

  107. chad

    July 26, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    Are f’ing kidding me? This is a standard permit, building safety inspectors just happen to fall under DHS, and before DHS, you’d still have to pay fees. Non-issue.

  108. Abby

    July 26, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    Why dont all of you just SHOW UP at the trial instead of picking apart this man’s post? You can show your support, learn exactly what the court has to say and NOT have to question anything or spend countless hours posting on here.

    Just a thought!

  109. Bob Ketchum

    July 26, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    This is perpetrated by the giant music publishing corporations (BMI – ASCAP – SESAC) that control the airwaves and charge yearly fees to clubs and venues for performance and mechanical royalties.

    Here is a recent Facebook post from me earlier in 2013-

    Thank you, ASCAP, for contributing to the demise of live music everywhere. I understand the way the system works (or is SUPPOSED to), but when you send your “moles” into little towns like Mountain Home, Arkansas, and they show up at local coffee shops with a capacity of twenty people that offer “open mike nights” and threaten the owners with law suits if they do not pay exorbitant fees, you are showing the world exactly how any large corporation holds the almighty dollar above all else. I hope you are satisfied that you have stopped the little 10-year old girl singing and playing harmonica for fun… and the retired musician who just wanted a little attention.

  110. wayne pannabecker

    July 26, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    The Dept of Homeland is becoming like a Nazi organization. The more they take away the more they want to take away.

  111. Dave P.

    July 26, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    This is unbelievable … this country is looking more and more like communist Russia and nazi Germany every day. They will not get away with this and we all need to do everything we can to stop this.

  112. NH for Liberty

    July 26, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    The biggest issue here is that its the DHS that’s involved in our local businesses now. That must stop.

  113. Pingback: Conspiracy Theories! | Homeland Security is Now Regulating Live Entertainment

  114. Dave

    July 26, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    They already have gotten away with it, federal agencies have already been present at some big festival events. Stop crying and start actually doing something more than bitching about it, you’re all a bunch of wussies if you don’t get out onto the streets and make your efforts known…No, you can’t donate or spread the word and call that “effort”

  115. Rick Nicholson

    July 26, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    Maybe this will be the exact point where there will be such an outcry against our mental liberties that this so-called law will be pounded into smithereens. And. yikes, is ASCAP a part of this? Might as well start building thousands and thousands of new detention facilities.

  116. Jet

    July 26, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    This is the beginning of making an excuse to arrest people in the future for the round ups that will take place for the riots or other functions people will start. Think about it. We are at the brink of riots just like other countries realizing their government is not for the people. What’s happening is they are preparing for such incidents since the economy is bankrupt and people are going to start starving, no money, and no support from the states. Just my personal opinion.

  117. RSims

    July 26, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    All I can say is…the envocation of fear! Fear is the perrfered weapon. Remember 9/11, of course you do?! The enactment of the DHS, NDAA, all derived from fear. The secrets Wikileaks and Snowden put out are pieces of this scam…but we are conditioned thru fear to protect “the system”. The system controllers use words like “Conspiracy, terroist, Muslim, Islam, extremist, liberal, conservative, traitor, to dismiss a viewers intellect thru fear, keeping them in a state of cognitive dissonance. Listen to all, follow none. This is nothing but a prequel to an end.

  118. Borat

    July 26, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    I smell a load of bullshit from Trolly Trollston.

  119. madeuce42

    July 26, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    If you hear of any country that is having a nuclear test you and ALL of the gov’t in DC go stand at ground zero

  120. Tony

    July 26, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    It sounds to me that you do not want to pay for fire inspection and refuse to comply with Indiana law. Using fantastic headlines to garner support for your plight shows antipathy towards your readers, whom you must think are not intelligent enough to see that this is about safety and safety only. None of us like to have to pay for state-enforced code, but we simply must. I for one would never eat or listen to music in a place of business that did not pass a fire inspection or any other type of state-enforced inspection. Agree or not, it is your responsibility as a business owner/operator to comply with all safety codes.
    I hope you are not challenging the Indiana State Fire Code with a case of First Amendment rights.

  121. Cecile

    July 26, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    Someone explain to me how this is federal? Looks like it’s purely something from a state level in Indiana.

  122. LeaveAmerica

    July 26, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    This is the deal people. Electronic Dance Music is becoming a multi-billon dollar industry in America. The government just wants that if you are someone who is invoved in organzing around this music, that you can only do so, if you are completely official in thier eyes, which means, that, they will take the majority of the money and commercialize the situation in every way possible and that is what this is about.

    America has a government that operates like a mafia. Living in America is about freedom, YES ! it is, having the freedom to do exactly as your told to do.

  123. Skankin Freddy

    July 26, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    then they best get rid of military and highschool, and other such community bands, and they better get big labels on their sides. Sad very sad

  124. unclefreaky

    July 26, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    screw the DHS, at work right now blasting music so loud that the next 3 businesses can hear it. and also I will no longer be using headphones in public. no longer accepting what I can’t change, now changing what I can’t accept.

  125. unclefreaky

    July 26, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    a right is only a privilege if it requires a permit to practice. a right is only a privilege if someone can take it away. a right is only a privilege if it is given to you.

    the people have no rights at all, none, not one. and freedom is the biggest american lie, you don’t have any of that either.

  126. Walter

    July 26, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    You have my support, is there a petition to sign or something else that I can do? I am an artists myself and this is complete crap.

  127. Terry 'Kaialoha' Ridge

    July 26, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    Not to be contrarian BUT how do we
    ‘help’ or ‘support’ you if there’s no mechanism by which we are able to do that? Writing comments in these little boxes does LITTLE to further your agenda ~ ~ ~ START a petition and get peoples attention that way. AT LEAST that’s something other than a mutual commiseration via unread comments ~ ~ ~

  128. Kim Pedone

    July 26, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    Where’s the damn petition to sign, to stop this!!!

  129. Paul

    July 26, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    Seems to me what we need to do is write a song about how wrong this is and send all our musicians out to play it everywhere on the streets.

  130. Pingback: Homeland Security is Now Regulating Live Entertainment | ParaPolitics

  131. Carlos

    July 26, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    You have my support. Where is the petition?

  132. Sean

    July 26, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    Um……you, um…..you have never owned a business where you play live music have you……..it’s um…..well, how do I explain this so you don’t look like a total dumb ass……It has been a requirement of the Fire Marshall in almost every state for Decades…..literally Decades….this is not new nor is it an assault on anyone’s Constitutional Rights..Its a way for the city to make money and to inform you of the Codes for your area…..

  133. WatchingAmerikaFall

    July 26, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    I read these rants and how awful the DHS and Czar Obama are but in the end, each of you will go back to playing your Xboxes, sitting on your big American fat butts watching Desperate Housewives while gulping down Big Macs and Pepsi, and then whine about the freedoms you once had. When are you people going to realize that spouting dissent on comment boards is akin to screaming in the bathroom. It serves no purpose. America is gone. Plain and simple. Get use to it or fight back. But the American Gov’t knows what I and many others also know. Americans are weak and can be bought with an extra food stamp, a promise of a boondoggle from your wealthy Congressman or a promise of a brighter tomorrow. Poor sheep.

  134. joe

    July 26, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    those creative, entertaining terrorist must be stopped…

  135. Paul Wells

    July 26, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    In one word (BLOWME)

  136. TJ

    July 26, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    Maybe people should be in charge of their own safety. And stop trying to make laws to require the safety of others. If I want to risk my life without a safety belt why cant I? I mean a woman can have an abortion no matter the risk to her body. This is because the law states its her body and she can choose to risk it. That’s only a example I have no stand on abortion. I’m just saying why do we need the law to protect us? Why cant we learn to be in charge of our own safety?

  137. Paul Wells

    July 26, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    IN A WORD( BLOWME )

  138. Sal

    July 26, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    Tell me theres a petition for this, if so where do I sign?

  139. Jack

    July 26, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    Screw the DHS and DOD, they’re the biggest terrorist organization on this planet. Seriously, just screw them, or ignore them if it keeps you happy.

    One day there will be a giant uprising when the U.S population realizes they have been abused, exploited and neglected all in the name of freedom and democracy.

    Until then, just ignore these corrupt entities and play whatever music you want to play.

  140. Robert

    July 26, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    Anyone who believes this should buy that Brooklyn Bridge that is for sale in Alaska. I saw the ad on the internet, so it must also be true. Right?

  141. Daniel P.

    July 26, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    The first paragraph should read:

    The [Indiana] Department of Homeland Security (An agency enacted through the [Indiana lawmakers]) is now demanding through enforcement from [Indiana Fire Marshalls that ALL LIVE MUSIC PLAYED IN THE [state of Indiana] MUST HAVE A PERMIT FROM THE [Indiana Fire and Building Safety Inspector].

  142. terp

    July 26, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    does this include Gay Bars?— I highly doubt it does

  143. Dusty Anonymous

    July 26, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    I don’t think it is possible for me to hate a country more than I do yours..

  144. Brian

    July 26, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    When you sheeple are done lining up for your spoonfuls of pablum, you can even see in the picture that this putz is whining about a STATE agency that has nothing to do with the patriot act nor does it have any power to regulate ANYTHING across the United States. Stop giving this buffoon attention.

  145. J

    July 26, 2013 at 7:46 pm

    You would think that Homeland Security would have better thing to do(like actually secure our homeland from REAL threats!), rather than attack the Arts. Really Homeland Security try to really do your jobs.

  146. J

    July 26, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    I bet it WOULD NOT apply to the presidential/white house galas!!! Shame on you HLS!

  147. Nicholas Gratton

    July 26, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    ever since i was born i listened to music, it is literally everywhere i go, whether im singing or its a street performer or a concert, you have my full support.

  148. SerJay

    July 26, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    Welcome to #murica land of the slaves….

  149. Michael Martin

    July 26, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    Here is my response. Thank all of you so much for caring, whichever side you believe to be right. Healthy debate is a crucial part of a true democracy. And, remember we are all on each others side. We are not enemies. We are US Citizens and world citizens and we care!! Thanks for getting involved. Make music, not war! Mike

    • Matthew Jon Sauerland

      July 26, 2013 at 8:18 pm

      @ Michael Martin: The only enemies of mine are the ones who voted for obama twice in a row.

      Those are the enemies of the true United states.
      They are traitors to this country.

      You pretend like you’re simply practicing your right to vote.
      Here’s a quote I let run through my head every day.

      “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious.
      But it cannot survive treason from within.
      An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known
      and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst
      those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling
      through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government
      itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in
      accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and
      their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in
      the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works
      secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the
      city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist.
      A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.”
      Quote by:
      Marcus Tullius Cicero
      (106-43 B.C.) Roman Statesman, Philosopher and Orator
      Source:
      Attributed. 58 BC, Speech in the Roman Senate

      This quote applies to us. We have traitors, everywhere. We don’t know who the traitors are, except that they are in various positions of power. The only way to get them to reveal themselves is to start a revolution. Like our forefathers did. We need to stand up for ourselves and show the DHS that we are for america, not for some bullshit NWO.

      • Dead Patriots MSC

        July 27, 2013 at 4:52 am

        DON’T YOU SEE, THAT IS WHAT THEY WANT!

      • Bill Lundy

        July 27, 2013 at 6:40 pm

        You have read too many crime/intrigue novels. Be a critical thinker, not a hyper-paranoid non-thinker. Unless you’re just off your meds, which is more likely.

  150. Connor Grealish

    July 26, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    This is a complete outrage of the first amendment. I am in the band in my school and i need to be able to practice my music so i don’t sound horrible in performances at football games and school concerts. I am 17 years old and i play the tuba, the bass guitar and the harmonica. So as a music lover i hope the DHS gets some brains and not make playing music illegal to do in your house. i hope u choose right.

    • Michael Martin

      July 26, 2013 at 9:42 pm

      Connor, thanks for your concern. This has nothing to do with music performed in your home. This is only all commercial buildings which are every music venue and restaurant in the state of Indiana. Thanks for caring keep up the good work on your music friend. http://www.michaelmartinband.com if you’d like to check out some of what I’m about.

      • Bill Lundy

        July 27, 2013 at 6:42 pm

        Michael, you have lied to all these people insinuating that the FEDERAL homeland security is even involved in this dispute with the wholly unrelated and state-run Indiana homeland security. Way to be a part of he problem of misinformation. Propaganda much?

  151. Jessica C.

    July 26, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    I don’t know what’s more frightening, the broad powers of The Patriot Act (it’s name is SUPER ironic, you gotta admit,) or the fact that so many people willingly accept it because it’s “for everyone’s good.” SERIOUSLY!? We are not children and can take care of ourselves. Why are people so eager for the Government to be their nanny? I just don’t get it. We need to get back to liberty and a truly free market.

  152. Khary

    July 26, 2013 at 8:14 pm

    Total BS, what would New York, New Orleans and countless other cities be with out the street performers… SMDH!

  153. Ray Renk

    July 26, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    I don’t like this one bit. I am in the San Francisco Bay Area and could see something ridiculous like this happening.

    Definitely time for the Millennials of this country to rise up and and take a stance.

    As one of the largest generations ever, Boomers will continue to attempt to rob us Millennials of our time to lead this country. Boomers living longer then any generation before will begin to become a strain on society . This will not just be through Social Security and Medicare but through future laws that will be enacted to help thwart that of the changing Country and us Millennials long term vision for the future.

  154. Madelon

    July 26, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    I agree & you have my full support

  155. Tod W

    July 26, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    As a musician and military veteran… I am disgusted by this. Don’t we already pay enough in fees/permits/ insurances… Where does this money go???… Look at our country’s debt. This is just another way for them to waste more of our hard earned tax dollars… DHS has nothing to do with the safety of commericial buildings and definately shouldn’t have anything to do with music….You have my support.

  156. Matthew Jon Sauerland

    July 26, 2013 at 8:22 pm

    Whether you want to admit it or not, all of the problems Obama has caused, is on your hands. If you voted for him once, or if you voted for him twice. You are an accomplice to the crimes he has committed. Or that is how it should be.

    You knew from the first term he did nothing productive, he promised change, and didn’t deliver on it.

    He actually made things worse. The debt climbed up, unemployment was still the same, and he increased our natural energy output (wind power, water power, etc.) by 2%. big whoop.

    Gov’t needs to be smaller not bigger. Maybe you’ll learn just because a president promises free handouts doesn’t mean you should vote for him fucktards.

    • Thom

      July 27, 2013 at 12:02 am

      Obama made a lot of promises just like any other politician..but the reason nothing happened was because of congress..not him…how can you do anything when anything try gets tossed out????? answer me that?

  157. LYNNE FISK

    July 26, 2013 at 8:23 pm

    FUCK THE DHS , YOU SORRY MOTHERFUCKING ASSHOLES, WHO THE FUCK DO YOU PEOPLE THINK YOU FUCKING ARE, YOU ARE NOT GOD OR ANYTHING REMOTELY COMING NEAR HIM, ONCE AGAIN GO FUCK YOURSELVES IN EVERY DIRECTION POSSIBLE.

  158. Midas

    July 26, 2013 at 8:32 pm

    They want your building up to code before they grant you an entertainment license. These laws exist to ensure the safety of the customers. Stop being babies, and do what they require.
    Misleading people, and making this “about the music” is shameful.

    I am a former venue owner that dealt with this regularly, and have been in the “music business” for over 20 years.
    You people are being stubborn brats, and taking the focus off of actual civil liberty violations… in effect: crying wolf, and burning out peoples attention span and compassion which should be saved for when they will actually be needed. SHADY. If I lived in that town I would organize a BOYCOTT of your establishment for SLANDER, LIBEL and misuse of mass communication.

    • Michael Martin

      July 26, 2013 at 9:28 pm

      You are not correct on this Midas. We are up to code and have an occupancy permit and our only fire code violation was for an uncovered fuse in our fuse box. This is a separate permit that in it’s code no way describes restaurants. You can watch my video response see the exacts of the situation. Thanks for caring enough to research and comment. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov0qGfFZlSE

  159. James Christaldi

    July 26, 2013 at 9:12 pm

    Time for one more bloated piece of crap department to be put out to pasture. These guys are running WILD with power! I hear our forefathers SCREAMING from their graves!

  160. Kevin Robins

    July 26, 2013 at 9:14 pm

    Is all this a wind up?

    Putting aside how blatantly wrong this is . How can this “idea” possibly work without incurring huge administration costs . I’ll raise it with the Musicians Union, here in the UK. See what they know about it!

  161. Lars S.

    July 26, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    This is absolutely ridiculous! We Americans need to remind these power hungry pigs who’s supposed to be in charge in this great country of ours.

  162. Adrian Smalley

    July 26, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    Is there a petition going? If not get one started now!

  163. Lianne Schneider

    July 26, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    This is absolutely outrageous. Where are they claiming to have this authority? Who gave it to them – aren’t they stretching the Patriot Act far beyond its already egregious intrusion?
    You certainly have my support.

  164. Hayden C

    July 26, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    I don’t care about the nsa and the government spying on us, they already do that so I don’t care. But music, really DHS? What kind of world do you live in where Music is seen as a threat to national security? Is “Don’t worry be happy” by Bob Marley being used to train terrorists or something? Chill out DHS. I usually back you guys up too.

  165. Thomas Gilbert

    July 26, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    Their only power with this is their blind assumption that law enforcement officers will intercede on their behalf and arrest, control, follow-up, and comply with their edicts of power. My contention is that moral officers of the law will see the insanity of this rule and align themselves with all of the law abiding citizens of this free nation and ignore those who think that Homeland Security has any power in this country. I for one will ignore all of their illegally obtained powers which do not exist.
    Tom Gilbert

  166. Austin Wilkinson

    July 26, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    So within the world, we have issue’s like Cancer, AIDS, Foreign disputes with countries that hate us so much, they would fly planes into our buildings and leave bombs in the streets. Kids are shooting kids, and our fellow citizens are shooting and murdering each other in cold blood…

    …and the government is focused on our ability to listen to music in public? Is this what we are paying for? For our government to come up with excuses not to work by justifying there job’s by taking away our freedom? Does the government not remember, in the past, what has happened to governments that strips it’s citizens rights? This country was founded by people who detested the revocation of human rights for government gain. We have died for this right, and we have killed.

    I am not one for war, and I doubt citizens could stand up to modern military, but if the US loses it’s citizens report, who’s to say another country wont step in and begin taking us over? Wouldn’t be hard if we were fighting each other.

  167. Austin Wilkinson

    July 26, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    So within the world, we have issue’s like Cancer, AIDS, Foreign disputes with countries that hate us so much, they would fly planes into our buildings and leave bombs in the streets. Kids are shooting kids, and our fellow citizens are shooting and murdering each other in cold blood…

    …and the government is focused on our ability to listen to music in public? Is this what we are paying for? For our government to come up with excuses not to work by justifying there job’s by taking away our freedom? Does the government not remember, in the past, what has happened to governments that strips it’s citizens rights? This country was founded by people who detested the revocation of human rights for government gain. We have died for this right, and we have killed.

    I am not one for war, and I doubt citizens could stand up to modern military, but if the US loses it’s citizens support, who’s to say another country wont step in and begin taking us over? Wouldn’t be hard if we were fighting each other.

  168. joe public

    July 26, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    Ha Ha Ha!!! now we’re all on the watch list for commenting.

  169. Punk Rock

    July 26, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    I hope you all realize that the “DHS” in question here is not the federal Department of Homeland security. We are talking about the Indiana Department of Homeland Security. This is a state issue, NOT a federal issue. After 9/11, many states created state Departments of Homeland Security, totally distinct from the federal one of the same name. The states that did this then rolled their Offices of Emergency Management and other related agencies (sometimes State Fire Marshall’s Office, State Police, some Emergency Medical Services, etc. Of course it varies by state) into these newly created departments. This has nothing to do with the federal government in anyway, and in fact has nothing to do with “homeland security” or “national security” or anything like that. This is a code issue, an issue of obtaining permits for operating an establishment, only people seem to have become distracted by the fact that the agency in charge of regulating these businesses now falls under the Indiana Department of Homeland Security. Relax people, we will all be fine. Music will be fine. The constitution is just fine.

  170. Asshole

    July 26, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    Home land can suck my dick. Merry Christmas fuckers.

  171. shannon smith

    July 26, 2013 at 10:56 pm

    this is wrong we should be able to listen to music when ever and where ever!!!!

  172. tim

    July 26, 2013 at 11:30 pm

    Has anyone noticed that all our freedoms are being taken away? Wake the fuck up! Investigative journalists are scared to do their job for fear the gov. Will blow up their car! Honest gov workers who tell the truth are seen as enemies … Since when is the truth a crime? Only under Obama! I’m a musician and will continue to play where ever the fuck I want without a permit! This new Islamic country we’re living in can suck it! Want my gun? Come and get it from my cold dead hands motherfuckers

  173. Aaron

    July 26, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    Do you have any further information to confirm this is true, not that I don’t believe you but as a dance music label owner in the US, I need to know as my artists play events all over the US not to mention my label has promotional events planned.

  174. Solo

    July 26, 2013 at 11:48 pm

    If you think Obama is a citizen still you must have been hiding under a rock. All of his college records that were sealed have been hacked so not only was that birth certificate a fraud, he also has tried to hide the truth from the American people. We all know he has help. What you should pay attention to is his wishy washy lies that he promises and him doing the opposite almost every time. Maybe you should get your facts straight before complaining about spelling because an 8 year old could figure this shit out.

  175. Katie

    July 26, 2013 at 11:54 pm

    I can’t believe so many idiots are getting their panties in a twist over this. DHS IS NOT REGULATING LIVE MUSIC! Freaking morons. The owner of the bar was a dumbass and didn’t get a live entertainment permit and the Indiana state DHS (not the federal DHS) fire & safety division had to get involved because this twat thought he was above the rules.

    You all are fools. DHS is not going to arrest you for playing your guitar in the park. The fact that so many of you are getting melodramatic over this just goes to show how STUPID America really is.

    • stephenwv

      July 27, 2013 at 2:28 am

      Katie, It must be nice to think that the IRS targeting was not illegal or politically motivated. Wonderful that you have so much trust in government officials that they would never try to cover up embassy murders or illegal gun trafficking. Of course they would never by-pass congress and the will of the people with Presidential executive orders and Tzar proclamations thru regulations creating a virtual dictatorship. Who cares if laws are not specific. No government bureaucrat would ever use the loopholes for other than good. They are all selfless servants. Not to worry. These people are insane to think that anything resembling these things could ever happen. “In a time of universal deceit – telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”

      • stephenwv

        July 27, 2013 at 2:31 am

        Oh and how can we not believe Obama and Holder who have so sincerely told us regarding all the scandals in his administration “We know nothing. Nothing.”

        • James T.

          July 27, 2013 at 4:05 am

          I respect well written satire. Obama deserves no less that the most sincere form of criticism. He is a Liar, A deceiver, A fool and a TRAITOR by making war on America, murdering Americans, and giving arms and aid to our enemies and to Al Quiada and the Muslim Brotherhood who are sworn Enemies of America. Show all your Documents. Have them verified beyond all doubt. We Know beyond doubt that the LONG FORM Birth Certificate is a forgery…. There is not a ssingle document that is Honest. He is all FRAUD…..

  176. Kayla

    July 26, 2013 at 11:57 pm

    This is ridiculous. First you’re starting take away one of our amendments, and then when can’t even play what makes people happy publicly?
    What if I wanted to share my happiness with someone? If it’s not bothering anyone, why should I turn it off? I will gladly turn it off/down, if someone politely asked me to.

  177. sderamee@yahoo.com

    July 26, 2013 at 11:58 pm

    You have my support…no more government control over our rights!!

  178. Shannon

    July 26, 2013 at 11:59 pm

    There is a lot of people in this thread who are truly a special kind of stupid. NObama is not American. If he was he wouldn’t have spent millions of our dollars to seal all of his records. Him and his regime are taking over this country and selling us out to the NWO. IF you want to keep believing this man is a good man then my advice to you is shoot yourself in the head now while you still have the freedom to do it. Cause your future will be in a FEMA camp!!!!!!

    • Bill Lundy

      July 27, 2013 at 6:43 pm

      Read too many conspiracy novels?

    • Madison Dines

      July 27, 2013 at 9:50 pm

      Shannon,

      Stop wasting your time. Nobody except the right wing believes you, and you’re wasting all your energy fighting about things that will never move your own agenda. Why put your life and soul into something that’s a total dead-end?

  179. PISSEDOFFPRICK

    July 27, 2013 at 12:49 am

    NO WAY !! WILL NOT OBEY !!

  180. coby hosford

    July 27, 2013 at 1:04 am

    we are in deep shit. and reading above shows me exactly why we are in such deep shit. its like everyone feels..as long as we do nothing but belittle somebody who is trying to share something with everyone so what he is dealing with may not end up really affecting all of us. even worse than we might believe. everyone of you who treated this man with disrespect and teased over a misspelled word needs to realize that facebook is the first media source that will be monitored and denied anyone who might want to help by posting something like this. if you arent part of the solution…youre part of the problem. thats what you are…..

  181. coby hosford

    July 27, 2013 at 1:12 am

    “next thing tyou know< they'll take our thoughts away!" dave mustaine….

  182. James and Candie Livesay

    July 27, 2013 at 1:34 am

    At the right these government officials are going, they may as well burn all copies of the Constitution because not a single decision they are making now represents anything the country’s founders envisioned for us. We’re paying taxes to leaders who do not lead, but instead create every known barrier they can think of to ensure that people in this country have no freedom, success, or any hope of happiness.

  183. Bruce

    July 27, 2013 at 1:39 am

    I did not make it to the end of all of this yelling and screaming at each other, but I did note that in many of the different comments there was a misunderstanding as to who “Homeland Security” is in this case.

    I am and EMT and a Firefighter. I have been for a very long time. Long before we heard of “The department of Homeland Security” If you look at my current certifications they are issued by the “Indiana Department of Homeland Security” but this department existed before, it just had a different name. It was the Indiana Department of Public Safety. Under them was the state fire marshal, the division of public safety education, the department of Emergency Management, along with another dozen or so departments and divisions most of which were located in one little office (trust me very little” up on Washington Street in Indy. Do they report to the US Department of Homeland Security, I’m sure they do but the federal government doesn’t not directly run the state department.

    Also in this case most of these laws are OLD, like very old, and the division that was enforcing this is just about as old: The State Fire Marshalls office. Just because the level above them changed names 10+ years ago does not change this situation.

    Also they are not banning the playing of live music, they are regulating that any place that plays it must have the correct permits and are subject to inspection. Sorry all public buildings are in this same boat and it is fair of them to require you to notify them before you jam way too many people in to a little space and then distract them. Nice fires with very large death tolls happen in these situations and when these things happen everyone is ready to ask why the state/county/city didn’t stop the owner before it let all those people get killed. I’m sorry you can’t have both. If you want the government to be responsible for ensuring that business and public buildings are safe, then you must allow them to use what tools they have to do so.

    On the other issues of President Obama and citizenship and President Obama vs. the Dept. of Homeland Security:

    The child of an US Citizen is a citizen. President Obama’s mother was always a citizen, she never gave that up, so it does not matter WHERE he was born or where he was raised, he is a citizen. End of story. On one related note Congress had to hold a vote as to whether John McCain was a citizen eligible to run for president, as he WAS NOT born in the US.

    Second The US Department of Homeland Security AND the Indiana Department of Homeland Security were both created under President Bush, not President Obama.

  184. Little Raggie

    July 27, 2013 at 2:05 am

    “Live Music Is Better” Bumper stickers should be issued.(NY)
    From a simple rail against a proposed fee to play live music, this has turned into a conspiracy theory slugfest between the biased, and the ill informed.
    Isn’t music, the playing and singing of it free speech, and isn’t free speech one of your most sacred items of the First Amendment?
    Stupis proposal & even more stupid arguments….

  185. John Doe

    July 27, 2013 at 2:10 am

  186. robert ring

    July 27, 2013 at 2:23 am

    How do we get this on the news. Want me to run the football?

  187. Recall

    July 27, 2013 at 2:37 am

    Safety is one thing. Over regulating is control. This hundred dollar permit is just one of many costs. I guess ones are finewith it, but alot of people cannot afford all of these economic discrimination costs. Be glad of ones that try to do small business vs nothing. One minute, ones complain of the poor on welfare, the next minute, attack one trying to afford to stay in business. So what if the headline misleads…he is one man, needing some support. Send your anger to the rapists. Demand land use rights that allow home business so ones can try to get their American dreams.

  188. Brian

    July 27, 2013 at 3:40 am

    Oh I dunno… Maybe they can bring down my neighbors garage band….

  189. James T.

    July 27, 2013 at 3:49 am

    I refuse to engage in a debate with fools like the Obamanoids that frequent this Blog…..The person who is the current resident of the White House is not qualified to be there….I suspect that he may not even be a Legal Citizen of the United States. (Nothing) about Him and his past, is Honest. Everything about His past if filled with untruths. No documents are valid to show that he is qualified to hold Office in the White House. He is there to break this nation, and He is doing a damn good job of destruction…..

  190. Wesley Todd

    July 27, 2013 at 3:57 am

    Look what the gov is doing to kratom. A natural herb that gets thousands of people free from pain pills. Friends spent 13,000.00 to release press statements with testimonials, etc of the herb. The FCC sent a letter to the press release company that nothing positive about kratom could be aired or they would be in violation of the FCC. Kratom is legal. How can they be so corrupt. This government is so corrupt and evil. I want out and I want out now. Nothing is going to change this country. We have let then dig their claws in too deep. They bombed the NY towers. That has been proven. I know very high up people that have confirmed that. That is how they snuck in Homeland Security and the patriot act. Good job falling for their nonsense and murders America. You did it to yourselves.

  191. Greg

    July 27, 2013 at 4:03 am

    I am sickened by this, being a musician. How would I have turned out if not for live music? What’s next no baseball games in public?? Music is my only way of finding peace within and you want to take that away? I’m ashamed of this country. This is quickly becoming the old west, soon there will be riots in the streets because you want to take away live music.

  192. david

    July 27, 2013 at 4:11 am

    Arbeit macht frei (again)

  193. Dead Patriots MSC

    July 27, 2013 at 4:39 am

    YOUR ALL A BUNCH OF LOSERS! BECAUSE HOMELAND SECURITY BOUGHT ARMORED HUMMERS AND 4.1 MILLION ROUNDS OF AMMO. THAT HAS SUPPOSEDLY JUST DISAPPEARED. AS TO USE FOR POLICING THE STREETS OF AMERICA. IN THE FORM OF MILITANT OPS. WHY ELSE IF NOT TO DO ANYTHING BUT BRING DOWN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND ENSLAVE US ALL?

  194. deaconfred

    July 27, 2013 at 5:15 am

    ASCAP and BMI require licenses for public music performances either live or recorded so the authors and performers can be compensated for their creative efforts. The state and city Fire Marshals are involved in live music performances to ensure that the safety regulations are enforced. Live performances of popular groups can attract very large crowds. If there are insufficient exits or if exits are blocked, or if there are too many people in the venue, then an incident such as a fire can be catastrophic. There are numerous examples of fires at clubs causing many deaths.

  195. chris jones

    July 27, 2013 at 5:17 am

    DHS = GESTAPO!!! Screw u DHS go read and understand the 1st Amendment and the rest of the Constitution!!

  196. Hector

    July 27, 2013 at 5:23 am

    This is BS as a musician I am… where will this end??? the world gets more stupid by the day…

  197. Josh Jones

    July 27, 2013 at 5:24 am

    I’m with you!
    start a petition on the whitehouse website, get a nationwide response!

  198. deaconfred

    July 27, 2013 at 5:26 am

    RE: Michael Martin.
    Your reference to DHS should have included that fact that you are referring to the Indiana Department of Homeland Security, not the Federal Department of Homeland Security.
    It makes sense to me that the state would bundle safety related services under an umbrella organization as this gives the umbrella organization access to persons with specialized training and experience without hiring duplicate resources.

  199. Pingback: Illegal to Play Music?! NOT COOL.

  200. Brian Parent

    July 27, 2013 at 5:56 am

    I’d love to see the bill on that! the…tea..party..truther..dot..com

  201. amy h

    July 27, 2013 at 6:08 am

    i’m so sick of ANY part of the government in my private life, enough is enough

  202. Myles

    July 27, 2013 at 7:03 am

    THAT IS BULLSHIT MUSIC NEVER HURT ANYONE AND IN A LOT OF CASES IT MAKES PEOPLE’S LIVES BETTER YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT. WHAT THE HELL IS THIS FUCKING COUNTRY COMING TO.

  203. Ninjette_Nicholz

    July 27, 2013 at 7:26 am

    ….LMFAO….Obama doesn’t have anything to do with this. Way to make the issue all about your own racist conspiricy theories. ANYWAY!, this is awful, and it won’t be upheld. I’m not worried. If it does pass. I’ll rebel. Alot of ppl will. Simple as that.

  204. Ben Kappius

    July 27, 2013 at 7:59 am

    You have my support.

  205. Jerry Alexander

    July 27, 2013 at 8:43 am

    Every names of everyone that works for the DHS should be published..you may live next door to one of them.Also the names of all that work for the TSA.These people are not Americans.

  206. Roger Lehet

    July 27, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Next we will need to pay a tax (get a permit) to wipe our asses, and there will be a add on tax for using toilet paper, a fee for using the flush handle, another for water, and one for sewage…….oh shit most of that already exists

  207. Rusty O'Lean

    July 27, 2013 at 10:33 am

    The federal Department of Homeland Security IS NOT making it illegal to openly play music without their permission. That is just a lie. It is not a “fact”. This article grossly exaggerates the extent of the Indiana state Department of Homeland Security, an agency that will be partially responsible for validating permits for commercial music events that happen in public arenas. The headline, “the DHS says it’s illegal to P{lay Music in the US,” is absolute garbage, perpetuating misinforation, fear, paranoia, and general ignorance.

  208. capt. rodge

    July 27, 2013 at 10:40 am

    i hope you all understand that the arguments above are exactly what the government wants. the birther thing, race, gun, class whatever. if the government keeps america divided, as it is more divided than i have ever seen. then the government gets to keep doing what it has been and is still doing. the government has the taken control over the people instead of the people having control over the government. in this way the government gets everything they want and the people get whatever the government want to give them. the big corps. get what they want. have you noticed that. why do the ceos get all the profits, while the workers eke by week to week. why because who do you think is making the laws for them. why can the banks charge you for a discrepancy on your part but you can’t charge them for one on their part. same goes for others businesses. because they bought the senators that make the laws and we the people can not come together long enough to get the government back i line. of course the government wants to keep the people divided, what would happen if america came together and said to the government, NO we won’t stand for…..whatever the cause may be. the government controlling us is our own fault and it will continue to be so until we the people decide to put the government back in it’s place. but as long as the people stay divided then the folks in washington and the fat cat ceos get exactly what they want. think about it.

  209. Katarina

    July 27, 2013 at 11:35 am

    This is absolutely ridiculous, how can you take away something or put a law on something that has always been around? What happened to freedom? This world is pathetic.

  210. Skipper

    July 27, 2013 at 11:39 am

    I hate to say this, but I believe this is the beginning of sharia law. They don’t believe in music. In the extreme muslim countries where sharia law is practiced, they can not have radios, boom boxes etc. Check it out. This would be the first step in being able to control the playing of music. We have many muslims in the government now. You may think I’m crazy, but do the research before you cast stones.

  211. Michi

    July 27, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    Ummm.. not exactly. It seems that Indiana put all first responder related services under their state department of homeland security, which from a public administration standpoint, makes sense. This sounds like nothing more than a fire code enforcement issue for a venue. You know, those signs that state “by order of the fire marshall, the maximum capacity in this area is XXX people” and how emergency exits are placed, etc. This is one that I do not link to the evil PATRIOT act. I don’t feel there is any federal involvement here. The IDHS is not Nepolatano’s DHS.

    • Michael Martin

      July 28, 2013 at 4:10 am

      Michi, That is what a lot of people think but this is not about our occupancy permit which we have. This is a whole separate permit for the performance of live instruments but does not include karaoke and djs. We have all of our permits and are challenging the right of The Indiana Department of Homeland Security’s authority to regulate the playing of instruments.

      • J Obara

        July 28, 2013 at 7:52 pm

        Why do you make the headline intentionally ambiguous to confuse the distinction between Department of Homeland Security and Indiana Department of Homeland Security. Obviously you are trying to stoke the fear of federal government when there is no federal government involvement.

  212. Pingback: Attacks on America

  213. Doug

    July 27, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    Well the good news is since you have the whole sensationalism thing honed if the burger joint fails you can get a job at Fox News! NYC has had performance permit laws since the 1920’s nothing to do with DHS everything to do with safety and securing the rights of the musicians to get royalties for the music performed. Get this they even LIMITED the number they would give out!

    Like many of the others who have bothered to check the facts behind this (thank you all for restoring my faith that there are still people who care about having a position based on fact!) I’d have been happy to support you but your leap to the headline is unsubstantiated even by your additional comments. But that being said good luck in court, because I still support your right to waste your time and money tilting at windmills!

  214. Jessica Knepper

    July 27, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    Where is the petition to get this revoked?

  215. David Sims

    July 27, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    This is apparently a trial balloon confined (for the moment) to the State of Indiana. If DHS gets away with it there, then it might eventually be expanded to the whole United States. At present, however, DHS is only using an outdated law and selective enforcement to extort money from isolated businesses in Indiana.

  216. Scott Whitacre

    July 27, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    Aright, finally a paying gig ! What would Woody Guthrie be singing about now ?

    Years ago morons went right along with restricting the right to freely assemble and speak when unions were organizing & picketing. When you allow the rights of anyone to be trampled to further your cause, this is what happens. Picking at any 1 party when both have stepped on our Constitution is narrow-minded, divisive, propaganda. Take the blinders off, grab a bib & wipe your chin. Don’t be a drooling misinformed idiot.

  217. Karen

    July 27, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    this is utter bullshit and these people need to be stopped immediately !

  218. sie

    July 27, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    you take my rights, my freedom, the ability to chose what I do to MY body, and now, you’re trying to take MUSIC?! whats next, the air we breathe? i will BOOGIE ON – even in death, music has been and will always be.
    DO you NOT see that everything that is is SOUND?????? we are held together by VIBRATIONS of ATOMS that hum and make us and the earth we live in. TAKE AWAY MUSIC AND YOU WILL SLOWLY START TO SEE THE HUMAN RACE DISINTEGRATE.

    how the hell are you gonna have power, if there is no one, and nothing left to control?

  219. Regina

    July 27, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    I thought this article had to do with playing music and the DHS, NOT Obama. Stay on topic. That is for another place and time. Now, back to music. The DHS has no place trying to dictate policy and make a profit. Every day, more and more rights are being taken away. We need to stand together to keep this from happening.

  220. Eric Lucas

    July 27, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    If I were president, I’d start my administration by first shutting down and closing the DHS.

  221. ol-wide-glide

    July 27, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    obviously, it’s time for yet another useless bureaucracy such as the dept of homeland insanity to go! along W/all the czars & the socialist-in-chief

  222. Sean Dahlberg

    July 27, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    I hope this doesn’t come to fruition. Something has to be done about this. This country has become an over protective parent because of our government’s own negligence that stems all the way back to even before I was born. I can’t justly blame one president in general because they ALL have had a hand in this. Something needs to be done.

  223. ReallyRed

    July 27, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    This seems to be spreading from the following incident:

    Folly Moon challenges Department of Homeland Security entertainment law

    In short:

    (1) It’s specifically the Indiana DHS – not, apparently, the federal department.

    (2) The permit is from the “fire and building safety division” of IDHS.

    (3) The dispute is that the law requires a permit for “night clubs, dance halls or cabarets,” but the person disputing it believes it does not apply to bars or restaurants that have occasional live music.

    So, sounds like a minor dispute about the fire code being blown into an “OMG THEY WANT TO CONTROL LIVE MUSIC!!!?!?!?!!” issue.

  224. MUSIC GUY

    July 27, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    come get me commie bastards i’m turning My amp to 11!!

  225. Josh McCullough

    July 27, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    This won’t change until we STOP voting for Democrats and Republicans (in general).

  226. mahogany

    July 27, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    What the hell, music doesn’t hurt nobody. this is non-sense. our freedom is slowly being taken from us, there will be a new world order. the shit we see in the movies is really happening to us. WAKE UP PEOPLE

  227. Lila

    July 27, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    We are living in sad times. Soon, we won’t even be able to wipe our own asses with out a permit to use toilet paper.

  228. Emily

    July 27, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    My signature.

  229. johni earls

    July 27, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    U have my support!

  230. adam

    July 27, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    what the hell. will things in the USA ever be normal again

  231. somebody

    July 27, 2013 at 6:09 pm

    I hate to do this to everyone since it’s such a convincing story but: http://www.snopes.com/politics/arts/livemusic.asp

  232. Tina

    July 27, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    If you want to run a legit business you get the necessary paper to do it. It doesn’t mean you have to like it.. But personally if it’s a building I am spending my time and my money in I want to feel as safe as possible for my loved ones.. If you can’t afford the permits You can’t afford the business or lawsuits that would follow, god forbid, you grill catches fire.. Without proper paper your insurance company will deny claims, and rightfully so.. And no matter how many times you post this it still comes down to the fact you have to get a permit for music..I am more impressed with someone who has gone though the paperwork then bitches about it.. Then whining about something you don’t want to do.. That is what this whole item is about nothing less nothing more.

  233. Fran

    July 27, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    Talk about Communism at its best!

  234. Bill Lundy

    July 27, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    You have all been had, especially the writer of this article who dint do a SIMPLE snopes search to get some background information before spreading thus profoundly stupid lie. Try some critical thinking or just use the smell test — if it smells fishy, it probably is. http://www.snopes.com/politics/arts/livemusic.asp

  235. hc

    July 27, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    and this is verified, where?

  236. maxine

    July 27, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    if this is for real —- whatwill they take away from us next

  237. Heather

    July 27, 2013 at 7:03 pm

    You should bring up a case that the DHS is an ILLEGAL standing army and you are not subject to them.

  238. Doom

    July 27, 2013 at 7:12 pm

    Welcome to Russia. Stand up. To this. No. No no. Revolt. Do so,etching

  239. bekah

    July 27, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    That’s insanity. Uncle Sam’s Misguided Children will hear about this and spread the word.

  240. Jennifer Baker

    July 27, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    This is going way too far! I dare somebody to come and tell me that im not aloud to listen to music in my own home or car that i pay for! They can kiss my ass!! Were not prisoners or animals! I will stand with you!!

  241. Alan Seeger

    July 27, 2013 at 7:40 pm

  242. rage

    July 27, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    get rid the Homeland Security. We didn’t need them before 911, and we certainly do NOT need them now. Besdies isn,t this what the FBI & CIA supposed to be doing anyway? If we all didn’t do your jobs, we’d be fired, right? well start firing them and get ppl in that DO there job.

  243. Morgan Fletcher

    July 27, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    no more government controlling our choices or forcing us to obey what they want and how they want it

  244. mrcemetery

    July 27, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    Poorly written article is trolling.

    First: THIS IS NOT A FEDERAL ISSUE. This is an INDIANA issue. The DHS is DIFFERENT FROM THE INDIANA DHS.
    Second: Quit raising hell about not paying for live music and fire permits. Don’t like it? Dispute it at the hearing and lose, or pay the money like the rest of the world.

    THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RESTRICTING MUSIC AT ALL! This is one person’s sad attempt to confuse people by saying this is a constitutional issue when it’s simply a refusal to pay for fire and music permits. Either pay or protest and close up your business. Either way, we could care less about what happens to someone who tries to lie and distort the facts to suit their problem. The judge is going to laugh at you, then fine you.

    Fix this article or remove it.

    Last; AMERICA: Love it or leave it. THat mean’s all YOU Obama haters. Just go.

  245. Linda L. Gens

    July 27, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    Good example of setting up corporate control over EVERY aspect of the human expression and economics using our own government to implement favorable Corporate policies.

  246. Edward Flickinger

    July 27, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! I’M GETTING SO SICK AND TIRED OF THIS GD POLICE STATE! WHO THE F*** IS “BIG BROTHER” TO TELL US IF WE CAN OR CAN’T LISTEN TO MUSIC!? WHAT PISSES ME OFF EVEN MORE IS MOST OF THE SO CALLED “AMERICAN PEOPLE” ARE TOO COWARDLY TO STAND UP AND SAY “NO MORE”! IF YOU PIGS IN THE WHITE HOUSE GOT A PROBLEM WITH OUR VIEWS, THEN YOU KNOW WHERE TO FIND US!

  247. Edward Flickinger

    July 27, 2013 at 8:32 pm

    Hey Obozo,

    The Bill of Rights & Constitution is NOT toilet paper. So stop using it like it is!

  248. Sarvo

    July 27, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    Make no mistake about it. The corporatocracy is determined that no one will be allowed any entertainment unless they pay for it.

  249. Cornel l Moldovan

    July 27, 2013 at 9:01 pm

    OK , WE’LL PLAY IN EUROPE THEN…

  250. Phil Ogison

    July 27, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    I think you guys should all move to Canada, all the musicians that is. Here nobody cares if you play or not. Seriously. You could get free medical after a few months too.

  251. Jimbo

    July 27, 2013 at 9:12 pm

    Come and get me DHS!!! I’m playing my guitar on the patio tonight! Ha!! Lord, please protect us from those too stupid to continue living in society.

  252. Madison Dines

    July 27, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    Alright, this is all well and good, but where is your physical evidence of this? You go out on the internet to start a huge stink about DHS, but you didn’t put any evidence of their oppression on your website? What am I supposed to do with that? I’d like to help you, but until you have evidence you’re just a nutty conspiracy theorist. If you have evidence, please publish it for god’s sakes!!!

  253. Hoe Le Fuk

    July 27, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    HOLY FUCK AND ALL I DID TODAY WAS MAKE PANCAKES. WTFFFFFFFF

  254. Brian

    July 27, 2013 at 10:14 pm

    Sorry, you’re still a putz. The Indiana Dept of Homeland Security is NOT a part of, created by, or controlled by the federal DHS or any other federal agency. You’re whining because you have to pay for a permit that would have been a requirement of the fire marshal’s office even if Indiana hadn’t folded fire and safety into their DHS. But you’re trying to play up some sympathy by crying wolf and claiming DHS is requiring permits everywhere in the country to play music. Pay for the permit like everyone else has ALWAYS had to do and stop trying to make this into something it isn’t, which is anything other than you being too cheap to pay for your permits.

    People, don’t give this buffoon any more attention than he deserves, which is none.

    • Lee

      July 27, 2013 at 10:42 pm

      Think you need to look again. This seems to be a new trend that DHS is enforcing them through the local FM. They have pretty much been universally required as as safety measure. So what is the big deal? WTF does it have to do with national security other than to turn it into a federal crime. POLICE STATE!

  255. Sheep???

    July 27, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    Wow!! As usual a very disturbing point, destroying your freedom, comes up, someone makes an idiotic comment. and that is it everyone is distracted from the point by an idiot. The president is a pawn who cares. Fact is the Patriot Act and homeland security has been whittling away your rights since it was enacted. You cant breath without their explicit permission. Maybe, just maybe it is time to ignore the idiotic distraction and band together to save your rights and freedoms while you still can. I don’t know but I figure it would be time better spent rather than dealing with distractions that were written by the ignorant or by the intelligent for the purpose of distraction. What do you folks figure? unless you want to apply for permits for live music that is?

  256. ric m

    July 27, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    DHS IS the ENEMY of the STATE! they want to mess with us????? BRING IT ASSHOLES!

  257. Sheep???

    July 27, 2013 at 10:29 pm

    By the way The Government does not have the power to change, limit or remove individual rights and freedoms. To remove individual rights and freedoms every individual possessing them must with full information and understanding sign them away as an individual. The majority view is irrelevant. Each person must decide on their own. If one person does not want right or freedoms they have that choice but that person can not decide for you. If individual rights and freedoms can be done away with by government then they would not be called individual rights and freedoms!!! They only succeed in this when we allow them to do it. But as with any contract, if they do not inform you first and have you sign off personally, the contract is null and void

  258. anamous

    July 27, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    WOW all of this from a government that pays $100.oo for a pen that is worth 25cent. and they still cant figure out how to save millions. I’d run for office but I’m Native American and can prove I am a citizen so that election wouldn’t go over too well because you would think I was playing cowboys and Indians.

  259. Jackie Ruiz

    July 27, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    Michael, sorry if I missed it through all the rubbish replies but how can we help? I live in Ohio. What can I do to support the cause?

  260. Nik Kral

    July 27, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    **** This story is NOT TRUE **** Please do some fact checking before believing a random blog page

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/arts/livemusic.asp

    • DooDooEcon

      July 28, 2013 at 4:22 pm

      Snopes is not a good source.

  261. Pingback: DHS Regulating LIVE MUSIC???

  262. Jay

    July 28, 2013 at 12:15 am

    Ok, this is just stupid. First of all just because you have food and beverage license, doesn’t mean you can provide live entertainment. This is true everywhere. Here in Atlanta I own a retail store. If I were to have a band play at my place of business, I would be cited just like you were.

    You have to apply for a entertainment venue license, and meet all the code requirements to do so. You may meet all the requirements to have your burger restaurant, but not an entertainment venue. This would be true anywhere, and has nothing to do with music or the DHS.

  263. Katrina

    July 28, 2013 at 12:18 am

    Here goes the movie Footloose all over again!

    • Gus

      July 30, 2013 at 3:04 am

      Long live the queen!

  264. piggypig

    July 28, 2013 at 12:26 am

    Facts? Seems to me as more of a lack of fact. Where are the evidence of the application of such a law even on a state level, not to mention federal level.

    Conspiracy theories abound

  265. Liberty

    July 28, 2013 at 1:19 am

    This is not a law so it cant be enforced.

  266. Richard

    July 28, 2013 at 1:46 am

    I seem to remember that the “Patriot Act” was introduced and passed into law in about two months?, (outside guess, it may have been much less time than that), now I ask you…WHEN, IN WASHINGTON, HAS A 1,700 PAGE BILL BEEN WRITTEN, READ, AGREED UPON, AND SIGNED INTO LAW IN UNDER 60 DAYS? NOTHING, NOT ONE THING HAS EVER HAPPENED THAT FAST IN D.C., SO IT IS MY CONTENTION THAT THIS “BILL” WAS WRITTEN LONG BEFORE 9/11 TOOK PLACE, JUST WAITING FOR AN EVENT “LIKE A SECOND PEARL HARBOR”…AS WAS STATED BY THE “COUNCIL ON FOREIGN” RELATIONS SO ELOQUENTLY PUT IT…

  267. Al Shattuck

    July 28, 2013 at 1:58 am

    We support you 100%!!! Tell them to go screw themselves!!! And if they don’t listen to that, let them know you have about 30 million Americans behind you, that are willing to die for their rights. Keep it up DHS, you’re going to cause a revolution in this country.

  268. Ben

    July 28, 2013 at 2:13 am

    Unbelievable! This should not be allowed!!!

  269. Sylvia

    July 28, 2013 at 2:16 am

    We had no idea! Thank you for spreading awareness. We stand with you and will spread the word.

  270. Bill

    July 28, 2013 at 2:36 am

    Look the hell out – now they want to ban music from being played freely in the U.S. – next they’ll allow some fn imam to start screaming his BS koran stuff from the rooftops. Forget impeachment and elections – don’t need them in this case. Since when does playing music in bars and arenas come under fed jurisdiction? Tell these jackoffs to stick their crap wehere the sun don’t shine.

  271. Kathy

    July 28, 2013 at 2:36 am

    The Sicko’s Strike Again! I’ve heard and had enough of their BS!!

  272. scott rich

    July 28, 2013 at 3:21 am

    Well one enforcer of such a law would have to have a drumstick removed from his anal cavity if it ever affects me! I mean if its a large gathering and fire is an issue I get that. Fire BAD. But a blanket law with no real specifications that ultimately ruins the enjoyment of being a musician is preposterous!

  273. skjones

    July 28, 2013 at 3:31 am

    Where, exactly, is the proof behind this? A link to a scan of the memo, statement, letter, etc. would suffice. Until then, this is just unsupported hype.

  274. E.W.

    July 28, 2013 at 3:55 am

    The sheeple have been led astray Again! you will believe anything.

    • Culprit

      July 29, 2013 at 4:19 am

      Watch his video, then follow his case August 2nd in court. If he is misrepresenting the case we shall see. However, if he is correct, this should be a concern for all US citizens. Why so many haters?

  275. don

    July 28, 2013 at 4:08 am

    funny how so many people talk about all the shit the DHS the NSA the CIA and the IRS is doing,, but no one has the balls to do anything about it

  276. Elijah Henry

    July 28, 2013 at 4:38 am

    I don’t like having a permit, but I hate the people who blast rap music from their cars with the window rolled down.

  277. Steven Groom

    July 28, 2013 at 4:41 am

    This entire story is false.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/arts/livemusic.asp

    And it’s always entertaining to read Birther comments. When I feel low, I look forward to reading your posts because it helps me realize that I have so much more going for me than you do.

  278. Thomas Watts

    July 28, 2013 at 5:49 am

    This is not the US Dept of Homeland Security, it’s an Indiana state agency:

    http://www.in.gov/dhs/files/AE_application_42235.pdf

  279. jmr

    July 28, 2013 at 6:06 am

    Any one ever spelled illuminati backwards in you browser and put .com and see what comes up… bet it will shock a lot of you.

    http://www.itanimulli.com

  280. Louis

    July 28, 2013 at 6:10 am

    You all American are stupid, giving your rights away and do not do anything about it but bla bla bla!!!!!!!!

  281. Tony Mlady

    July 28, 2013 at 6:42 am

    I will fly out there, and stand next to you. This is NOT going to fly with the American public. Who in the HELL do they think they are messing with???

  282. whatiswrongwithyou

    July 28, 2013 at 6:54 am

  283. 50rc3r3r-574710n

    July 28, 2013 at 7:58 am

    Do not let the trolls steer attention away from the facts stated in the article above. regardless of who initiated it and who keeps feeding the beast, it still has to be stopped before it takes roots in our other daily freedoms our ancestors and our children now fight and died to protect.

  284. James T. Cook

    July 28, 2013 at 10:05 am

    To all Liberals and Kool-Aid drinkers. I don’t know about the Illuminati stuff but, I do know that none of you know whether Obama was born in America or in Kenya. His citizenship is not in question, it’s whether he was born in the U.S. or not and has perpetuated a fraud on the American people by becoming President under false pretenses. The reason know one knows is because the only thing that Obama has released about his personal information is a short form of a birth certificate that people would like us to believe is his. Yet his grandmother on his dad’s side says he was born in Kenya. But think about it for a second, why would anyone running for president hide his most basic information about himself from everyone. He obviously knew that being president is a high profile job and had the Democratic party been honest and vetted him, he would not have gotten away with these shenanigans. To all who mock Fox news because your ignorant to the bone. Fox News crushes the competition every single night for decades and second isn’t even close. It so dominates the news landscape that it beats all other news opposition combined!! (Sorry this format is not letting me make paragraphs) Do you know the reason for this? Because Liberals, they tell the truth!! You try to dismiss it and obfuscate the truth but, your pathetic attempts are in vain, as it gets even more popular every year. Maybe if you got MSNBC to tell the truth instead of straight up lying, like they did with George Zimmerman, in editing his 911 call and trying to make him look like a racist. They will pay for that. Some estimates are saying up to 1 Billion dollars. I hope so. Not to mention that MSNBC omits news. They have yet to report on Fast & Furious, they said very little about Benghazi after it was shown that the video had nothing to do with the attack on the Ambassador Stevens, leaving 4 people dead. Oh wait where was Obama? Know one knows and it’s been almost a year later. Now, we have found out that one of only two political appointees made by the president for the IRS, was involved in the scandal of targeting Conservative groups who applied for (501)c status. I could go on. It is sufficient to say that this president is a liar, a criminal, a racist and a damn poor president. He should go to jail after his last term. He has broken all his promises to you Liberal loons but, you don’t care because you have no integrity. Yes, there have been bad Republicans but, through groups like the Tea Party, we are cleaning that up. Just remember that Republicans, are the Party of Lincoln, Republicans were the North and were instrumental in abolishing slavery, Republicans passed the 1964 Civil Rights Bill/Act, Republicans when given almost the same conditions as Obama had when he came into office ( actually they were much worse in 1981 than in 2009), Reagan made us prosperous again after the debacle that was Peanut head Jimmy Carter. We became a true superpower and defeated communism. Now you Liberals prefer communism. Until your freedoms are taken away and you see the difference. On the other hand the Democrats are the Party of the South, Democrats are the party of the Klu Klux Klan. The Democrats voted down every single civil rights bill until 1964. Then only Lyndon B. Johnson signed it into law because of political expediency. He was running for another tern after all. Don’t, just don’t even start trying to lie that Johnson cared about black people! Yeah, a real proud party you got there. You follow a lie and then when you here the truth try and be dismissive and say, well that’s your version of the truth. What tangled webs we weave, when we first practice to deceive. Most of you went on and on about the guy misspelling a word, yet your just as ignorant about history. Pathetic!! If you knew the history of the Democratic party then you would be ashamed. Floating out lofty ideas but, never keeping any campaign promises. For the even more stupid who wants to tout Bill Clinton as a good president let’s talk about the economy. Why were the 90’s so prosperous> Two people are directly responsible for that. There names are Ronald Reagan and Newt Gingrich. Yep that’s right. Reagan’s trickle down economics trickled down and he knew that the biggest part of prosperity would not be seen during his terms in office but down the road. Newt’s Contract with America and balancing the budget kept Clinton from spending the annual surplus that was created from balancing the budget. I have the facts and you have what? Look it up, don’t believe me, it’s a matter of history. Just be cautious, if you think you’ll get the truth from Left leaning websites, your delusional. Huffington Post, Media Matters, Politico and many, many others are all about lies and confusing people. May I suggest Wall builders? There you will get the historical truth and nothing but. So, the next time your Liberal friend tries to lie about politics or history you can shut them up with the truth! I don’t want to hear your lies Liberal, read so you can know the truth and learn!!!

  285. Auriemma

    July 28, 2013 at 10:20 am

    Screw H.S!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let freedom ring.Any support you need, just ask.I have 1000’s of fans all over facebook.Will start by sharing this all over.

  286. Auriemma

    July 28, 2013 at 10:25 am

    To all he folks who brought Obama into this.I hope you all go terminal 🙂 🙂 🙂 <3

  287. NotAnIdiot

    July 28, 2013 at 11:07 am

    This was proven to be fake at snopes.com. Do a google search and look for facts before you go full gun power in your comments. That’s the thing about uneducated people! You guys jump on stuff like this flies on shit as if it was pure fact. How pathetic. Try to hold what little dignity you have left by doing your research before you run off at the mouth. However, let’s be real here, conspiracy theorists and obama haters are going to feed off of this to keep their agenda going. Some people THRIVE and live off of lies. Sad….so fucking sad.

  288. JH

    July 28, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    You might want to review this assessment or indicate where your information comes from.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/arts/livemusic.asp

  289. The Turtle

    July 28, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    Citizenship is long past being a question, somehow he has been elected Twice! No to DHS, it is another arm of the BIG ‘GUBERMET’, that will eventually destroy this country from within. ‘Big Gubermet’, has ben growing for some 60 * 75 years, the “social” rules and laws are not nor were they ever supposed to be the realm of the Federal Government, but are the feel good wishey-washey result of the uber liberalism and socialism that has steadily grown in this country for years.
    The clown in office is but the latest, most radical and dumbest of the ‘elected’ idiots who can’t understand what has made this the “GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD”.
    It is a shame that these fools have seen fit to kill the “goose that laid the golden egg”, but here we are.
    I blame not the elected idiots, but the bigger idiots who have elected them!!

  290. Sheep???

    July 28, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    So much for “Rocking in the free world” Sad ain’t it?

  291. Kevin

    July 28, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    WOW! Muncie really is “a city on the move.” This refers to the sign that used or maybe still is at the beginning of the city. We used to have a running joke about it. “Muncie is a city on the move, where’s it moving to?” These jackwagons at DHS have no authority! What they need to do is look into the twits in the D.C.! Glad to see Muncie is alive an well.

  292. Cal

    July 28, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    This is an internet hoax: Here is what REALLY happened.

    This false claim that “all live music played in the United States must have a permit from the Department of Homeland Security” (DHS) originated with a dispute between a Muncie, Indiana, bar operator and local authorities over entertainment permit laws. That dispute has
    nothing to do with the federal Department of Homeland Security, it is not relevant to any state other than Indiana, and is about the enforcement of local business permit laws and not a general requirement that “all live music must have a permit.”

    In Indiana, a state law requires that places of amusement and entertainment must obtain permits which are subject to the approval of state fire and building inspectors, a process that involves the Indiana Department of Homeland Security’s (IDSH) fire and building safety division. Mike Martin, the operator of the Folly Moon bar — a venue that offers entertainment in the form of live music as well as recorded music and karaoke — contends that that law is not being applied correctly and uniformly, maintaining that it should not apply to bars and restaurants and is only being enforced for venues that provide live (rather than recorded) music:
    State law requires places of amusement and entertainment to have permits subject to the inspection of state fire and building inspectors. And the law defines entertainment places as night clubs, dance halls or cabarets.

    Martin filed an appeal to the permit, saying he operated a bar and restaurant with occasional music played by his band, The Mike Martin Band, and others.

    In the challenge before an administrative law judge, Martin believed the state was not enforcing the law uniformly, only requiring permits for live music instead of electronic or even Karaoke that is also played at the Moon.

    And the law really does not apply to restaurants or bars, he adds, along with concerns that the IDHS is trying to shut down small business with outdated laws.

    The entertainment permit law is archaic and outdated, Don Marquardt, president of the Indiana Licensed Beverage Association (ILBA), said, used to regulate night clubs and dance halls which are not bars and restaurants. The ILBA tried to get the law rewritten a few years ago, asking former lawmaker and now Mayor Dennis Tyler to help. The Legislature never addressed the issue.

    In true hyperbolic Internet fashion, what started with a minor local dispute about business permits and fire codes was quickly blown into the false claim that all live music played anywhere in the U.S. now requires a permit from the DHS. Neither the Indiana nor the federal DHS has declared that “it is illegal to play music freely in the United States,” nor is the issue about live music per se — it’s a local legal wrangle over a requirement that entertainment-providing business establishments obtain proper state operating permits

  293. Jon Hume

    July 28, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    I am all about freedom of political views. What I cannot stand is people sharing things that are not true. This is a false story, per Snopes. Too many people don’t care about the facts, only about their personal agenda. Open your eyes AND your minds, folks.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/arts/livemusic.asp

  294. Pingback: DHS Teams Up With Fire Marshals To Police Live Music

  295. dale monnot

    July 28, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    what else will they try tp
    o take away from us, what a crock of crap.

  296. Mark

    July 28, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    In a free country, it seems to me all is being taken away!
    Where is the freedom & justice in this? All it appears to
    me is a money making scheme!!!

  297. Pingback: Forbidden News » DHS Teams Up With Fire Marshals To Police Live Music

  298. R S Brown

    July 28, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    The powers that be are succeeding in frightening and misinforming you all to the point of internal arguments among yourselves. We basically suffer from mass stupidity and that also is the silent weapon of choice among the rich & insane. What you are all witnessing are not the actions of rational thought processes but the rulings of people who are dead set to destroy their own planet as well as ours, we, the people that care about ourselves as well as our childrens future. I am beyond words anymore and saddened as to what mankind has become, life just isn’t fun anymore, it’s simply a chore and a daily ordeal!

    • Jim

      July 28, 2013 at 8:13 pm

      Instead of getting all crazy, check out http://www.snopes.com/politics/arts/livemusic.asp . The original article by Mr. Martin is a self-serving rant because his little town’s laws are frustrating him. Maybe legitimately, but it has nothing to do with some kind of federal plot.

      By the way, regarding the reference to the “aluminati”. It looks intentional to me, exploiting knee-jerk reactions to the fantasy of aluminum containers being controlled by some deep dark mysterious organization. Go back to your games of Dungeons and Dragons.

  299. Ann-Marie Eriksson

    July 28, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    Please read the novel “1984” by George Orwell. Big Brother sees you, and is obviously taking over, too!

  300. plort

    July 28, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    If as many people could get together and rally around a cause and yell and speak at marches as is done here we have a chance as a country.

  301. Jason

    July 28, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    You people are idiots! This isn’t even true and if you had spent 2 seconds and actually googled it instead of believing this idiotic blog post you’d see that!

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/arts/livemusic.asp

  302. jason

    July 28, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    This is complete bull shit!! Now you’re trying to take away our freedom of speech like everything else!!!

  303. Terry Jacobsen

    July 28, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    It is coming to this even if this is a hoax.

    It disgusts and scares me. Even just to post this I had to enter my personal email and name or it would not be posted. Am I the only one who sees this creeping up on us?

    I read about the beginning of this in the 80’s. I’m addressing all individual rights.

    Called. “SANCTION OF THE VICTIM”.

    Just for writing this ill be put on a list. Sure I am already on it. Our thoughts are being policed… What!s next? Your bedroom? Hey guess what, some states already police that.

    We are mostly so broke that we are afraid to stand up to this for fear of retaliation. I am and have been. It’ getting to be too much. Collectively Citizens”, we are allowing this to happen.

    So there’s my opinion. Many will hate me for it or call me paranoid. I’m now ready for them to hate me.

  304. Cynthia

    July 28, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    via snopes.com…..Do you now have to have a permit from Homeland Security to play live music? No… this is a dispute between a Muncie Indiana bar owner and the state. It has nothing to do with Homeland Security on a national level. What people forget is Homeland Security is an umbrella for most law enforcement. And each state also has the same umbrella. This is an Indiana issue only.

  305. Frank Castle

    July 28, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    heil obama…..zieg heil

  306. j

    July 28, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    How did this convo go from being about the Gov’t fucking us again, by making permits for music mandatory, to who spelled what correctly and arguing about Obama? Can’t anyone have a converdation without attacking each other anymore? dumb.

    • j

      July 28, 2013 at 6:43 pm

      *conversation
      Oh, look, I’m not perfect either. Guess that makes me a dumbass as well. (sarcasm)

  307. Evidence to the blind

    July 28, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    Check your facts before blindly believing everything on the internet.
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/arts/livemusic.asp

    You’re all pretty much sheep who fly off the handle based off rumors and act like your rights are being taken away. the internet lies so do some fact finding before believing everything.

  308. timothy henderson

    July 28, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    this is just anothere ploy for the goverment 2 takae away are frights but they will never stop me from playen my music in my house or whyll im walking down the street was born free i live free god bless america

  309. Joseph Benjamin

    July 28, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    Hello,
    I would like to give you my support as an artist.

    JB

  310. Blueshawk

    July 28, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    This thread is a perfect example of why Homeland Security gets away with such tactics. The article was an appeal to stand up against an unfair law that was put into place back in 2001 under Bush. Someone has turned it into a “birther” argument. The unfair law doesn’t get discussed.

  311. Ron Carr

    July 28, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/arts/livemusic.asp

    The Indiana Department of Homeland Security, not the federal DHS. Their reasoning seems pretty sound to me.

    Jackass.

  312. Jim Graham

    July 28, 2013 at 9:53 pm

    This story is NOT true! Please refer to the Snopes link above or to Hoax Busters (http://hoaxbusters.org/) for the true story.

    • Snopes is disinformation website

      July 31, 2013 at 12:11 am

      Snopes is not a credible source of information AT ALL

  313. tommy

    July 28, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    its not really about the music. Its about our right to gather freely to express ideas. Its just a way to circumvent our rights by saying that a building is unsafe for people to congregate in.

  314. Anna Maria

    July 28, 2013 at 10:30 pm

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/arts/livemusic.asp

    Yah um..nope!! This is about a dispute in IN.. read on..

  315. su

    July 28, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    (…)”Furthermore ‘they’ are known to sire many children secretly that they can put into positions of power when required.”(…)
    http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Rothschild.htm

  316. Aaron

    July 28, 2013 at 10:44 pm

    They are getting in the way of royalties of certain types of rights that musicians and writers have legally have already. Performance rights are legalize and can be obtain through the several means. Why do we need a law that will ban public use of music?

  317. Eric

    July 28, 2013 at 11:19 pm

    You should come to New Orleans some time. Can you imagine this wonderful city without jazz, bluegrass, blues, and every other music being played on every street corner? Criminal.

  318. Soufflé

    July 29, 2013 at 12:43 am

    Pay to play or good ridden’s to ya criminal

  319. Lillibette

    July 29, 2013 at 2:55 am

    Uh…….. this is not true. You are doing nothing but trying to stir the pot. This started over a dispute in Indiana with a bar owner who wanted to have live music. A permit is required there after inspection from the Fire and safety Dept. It has NOTHING to do with DHS.

    Why don’t you people research stuff before you put it out there for every nut ball in the country to swallow!

  320. Pingback: WTF | Kalex's Tome

  321. Brinda D. Denman

    July 29, 2013 at 3:18 am

    This is absolutely ridiculous and communistic in my opinion! I feel that this is against our constitutional rights! You have my support in stopping this VIOLATION OF AMERICAN’S RIGHTS! I feel that ALL AMERICANS need to stand our ground and fight AGAINST this! I personally am sick to tears of the government interfering and interloping into our lives, our homes, our businesses and our churches! BACK OFF GOVERNMENT!! STOP OVERSTEPPING YOUR BOUNDARIES! We ALL need to march on the capital steps and any other government place that we can find that will get the attention of these entities that are trying to steal our freedoms and let these IDIOTS know, WE ARE NOT GOING TO STAND STILL FOR THIS!!! COME ON AMERICA, STAND UP AND FIGHT AGAINST THIS!!!

  322. BrotherhoodOfSteel

    July 29, 2013 at 3:39 am

    wake up sheeple,there are things just as bad if not worse happening everyday,the time is now to stand up to your government and show them that you’re not going to become a slave,pretty soon they’re going to be wearing swastikas and putting you in concentration camps by the busload,enough is enough!!

  323. Colin

    July 29, 2013 at 5:19 am

    This is the WORST example of ‘journalism I have ever seen. The owners of this website should be ashamed. It has nothing, repeat NOTHING to do with DHS. It is all about IDHS, the Indiana Department of Homeland Security (a terribly misnamed organization), which is really fire safety and permits. Yep, It’s all about fire safety permits.

    We’ve all heard about fires and huge number of people who have died in fires in night clubs when greedy owners try and pack too many people into a club, bar or lock exit doors, allow fireworks, etc. One owner, in the first example listed below, actually bricked up at least one entrance, to prevent people from leaving without paying. Other exits were padlocked or boarded over.

    Examples:
    The Coconut grove night club fire killed 492.
    The Rhythm Club fire killed 209.
    The Station nightclub fire killed 100.

    You get the idea.

    Well, that’s what this is all about. This bar owner doesn’t want to pay for a permit for live music in his club. He contends that he can play recorded music without a permit, so why should he have to get a permit for live music. Answer: Because live music draws big crowds and accidents happen. The last mentioned one above happened only 10 years ago, so be aware of live events in bars and night clubs that are crowded!

    That’s it. And some lazy ‘journalist’ dropped the “I” from IDHS.

    http://www.munciefreepress.com/node/29089

    So, stop the panic, and let’s go back to worrying about George Zimmerman and other overblown topics.

  324. too late

    July 29, 2013 at 5:25 am

    if you look at history, no democracy has ever lasted over 250 years, and we are close

    • One Nation Under Control

      July 30, 2013 at 4:57 am

      we are a Republic

  325. Pingback: Indiana DHS Demands Restaurant Owner Get Permit To Play Live Music

  326. Bill Haney

    July 29, 2013 at 10:27 am

    As a musician and a man of God I have to stand up for the people. I have lived through the PMRC and ASCAP and I fought hard against both. We were winning for a while, but in the end our government decided to take over the parental control of what our youth can and can not listen to, and nightclubs were forced to pay a fee for having cover bands playing. It is all a game of control. They will keep squeezing us until they own our blood and control our lives.

    • One Nation Under Control

      July 30, 2013 at 4:58 am

      I Agreed Good Sir

      sloan from: One Nation Under Control

  327. tom dalrymple

    July 29, 2013 at 11:07 am

    Frank Zappa predicted this on his album Joes Garage.

  328. Tom

    July 29, 2013 at 11:35 am

    I am so sick of all the talk about Obama not being a citizen don’t belong in the White House, and on and on and on but no-one is doing anything about it. Let’s get our alleged representatives to get off their ass and do something. As for the music thing,; that’s absurd and they can kiss my ass.

  329. Juan

    July 29, 2013 at 11:59 am

    • Snopes is disinformation website

      July 31, 2013 at 12:09 am

      SNOPES IS NOT AN ACCURATE SOURCE OF INFORMATION! You people need to STOP SPREADING LIES!

      I don’t know if this article itself is accurate or not either, BUT DO NOT CITE SNOPES AS A RELIABLE SOURCE OF INFORMATION — IT IS NOT! It is simply written by a “writer” for Snopes.dot.com, so their claims are based on their own Agenda and opinions, NOT FACTS.

  330. nunya

    July 29, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    • Whatdoesitmatter

      July 31, 2013 at 12:08 am

      SNOPES IS NOT AN ACCURATE SOURCE OF INFORMATION! STOP SPREADING LIES!

      I’m not saying this article itself is accurate or not either, but DO NOT, DO NOT CITE SNOPES AS A RELIABLE SOURCE OF INFORMATION — IT IS NOT! It is simply written by a “writer” for Snopes.dot.com, so their claims are based on their own Agenda and opinions, NOT FACTS.

  331. D Bressler

    July 29, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    While this would be a horrible development, I can’t bring myself to care because it isn’t true. See, there’s this whole website devoted to checking on stories you hear on the internet, and they had a page on this one: http://www.snopes.com/politics/arts/livemusic.asp

    Seriously, when you have to get worked up over fake stories to have something to be upset about, you need to reevaluate your life.

    • Whatdoesitmatter

      July 31, 2013 at 12:05 am

      Snopes is NOT accurate. It has ZERO proof for when it’s claiming “true” or “false”. It is simply written by A PERSON, then put on Snopes, and SUCKERS like you fall for it thinking it’s true. “Oh, Snopes said it was FALSE, and Snopes doesn’t lie and doesn’t have it’s own Agenda”. You’re really dumb, sorry.

  332. AGB

    July 29, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    There is no Illuminati.

    The Illuminati was a German Christian cult established to find corruption among the Masons. Later many of the Nazis claimed to have had forefathers among the Illuminati. There is, the Masons, still in business, the business of doing good, because the Illuminati could not find corruption and the latter had disbanded.

    The Masons meanwhile have become and international boys club and playing chess and watching TV have become a major part of their EVIL activities. RS Brown is correct…the American people are being deliberately misinformed, dumbed down, stupified to become compliant to a ruling elite who themselves are clueless, visionless, experienceless, and ignorant about human nature and the American experience.

  333. Kitty

    July 29, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    There are already laws in place governing the performance of music which is protected by copyright law (as opposed to music which is in the public domain), and in the United States, the ASCAP is the leading body for ensuring that performing rights are honored.

    It sounds as if the DHS is trying to make work for their own idle hands and justify their existence by taking over the work of ASCAP (and if possible, stamping out performance of live music, full stop).

    I support you in every effort to prevent nugatory interference by yet another government agency when there are fully adequate mechanisms already in place to enforce the law.

    Bottom line: we need to make ourselves aware of the laws we obey, and not let puffed-up officials try to stamp us down unlawfully.

  334. Strange R-senal

    July 29, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    I am a believer in the constitution and it was established to prevent the government form infringing on our civil liberties. If our ancestors only knew how far we have fallen. We are now no better that the country that the founders of this one fled. I speak threw music to reach people about what is really going on in the world please listen to my music and help spread the word http://www.facebook.com/strangersenal

  335. Mark Venzke

    July 29, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    Please upload scans of your citation(s).

  336. JL

    July 29, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    isn’t this the job of the Performing Rights organizations? ASCAP, BMI, etc.?

  337. David707

    July 29, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    Former Governor Venture sued FEMA and it was thrown out of Federal Court due to lack of Jurisdiction: FEMA is a recorded UNITED NATIONS ORGANIZATION of which the TSA has been turned over to as well. They have NO TIES TO THE UNITED STATES IN COURT OR OFF! FEMA has no law and neither do the US citizens-everything has been voided by Presidential Ex. Order and by Congress allowing the NSA to continue unabridged.

  338. I.M. Bird

    July 29, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    This is utterly ridiculous! Is this not against our FReedom?

    • Tracy

      July 30, 2013 at 8:37 pm

      What Freedom? we haven’t been free in so long, people have no clue what it feels like because its just GONE..

  339. Travis

    July 29, 2013 at 8:37 pm

    This super stupid and ridiculous ..

  340. Jack Sparowe

    July 29, 2013 at 8:39 pm

    Oh, by the way, this post isn’t even true:

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/arts/livemusic.asp

    Cheers,
    Cap’n Jack

    • WebMistresss

      July 30, 2013 at 10:29 pm

      Oh, by the way, Snopes can’t be trusted as they don’t actually research issues before posting their own opinion, not facts.

      http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/media/internet/news.php?q=1227232155

    • Whatdoesitmatter

      July 31, 2013 at 12:02 am

      You use Snopes are CREDIBLE SOURCE? Are you joking? ARE YOU JOKING? Snopes is NOT a credible source, AT ALL, in any way, shape, or form. HOW DARE you cite “Snopes” as a supposedly “credible” source. You are spreading pure disinformation by even citing Snopes.

    • Snopes is disinformation website

      July 31, 2013 at 12:12 am

      SNOPES IS NOT A RELIABLE OR ACCURATE SOURCE OF INFORMATION! They have their own Agenda and lies just as much as CNN does.

    • Michael Martin

      July 31, 2013 at 6:40 pm

      Jack if you look snopes changed the question to fit their answer. I have all of the answers logged on this page. I do appreciate your research and want you to know my hearing with DHS is very real and it’s this Friday in Indianapolis.

      http://iamnotanonymousblog.com/category/music-vs-dept-homeland-security/

  341. Jeff Herman

    July 29, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    Screw You DHS!

  342. Aleister Shank

    July 29, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    You people should do some fact checking before you all freak out.
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/arts/livemusic.asp

  343. What the hell

    July 29, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    This is totally bogus…
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/arts/livemusic.asp

    Stop the rampant spread of misinformation.

  344. al

    July 29, 2013 at 11:48 pm

    Remember the Parachute Club (a Toronto group) song “rise up ,rise up”
    Hardly ever played state side, as if banned from playing. Rumor had it the stations were cautioned that inciting a riot could lose the station the license to air.
    Mid 80’s I think . Could be the song didn’t get popular?

  345. debbie

    July 30, 2013 at 12:04 am

    This is totally ludicrous. My son and his friend sing as a pop duo and this would really hurt them, as well as many other musicians. WHo is the government to say someone can not play or perform music anywhere. Music is good for the soul and never hurts anyone. This is just one more right that the government is trying to take away from the people. We will no longer have freedom of anything anymore in this country!

  346. Billie Sue O'Dell

    July 30, 2013 at 12:46 am

    This is just pure political Bull S–t!The people of our country need to stand up for out rights. We need to remember what FREEDOM actually is.

  347. Pingback: Homeland Security is Now Regulating Live Entertainment | Alternative News Alert!

  348. Jacob Singer

    July 30, 2013 at 3:17 am

    Yeah, I dont agree with that at all. the day we cant play music freely is the day freedom dies.

  349. DaveK

    July 30, 2013 at 3:40 am

    Can’t always believe some of these people especially those that can’t spell “Fire Marshal”. But may be some truth in what is being said. This will never happen in Texas outside our super liberal Austin.

  350. One Nation Under Control

    July 30, 2013 at 4:55 am

    This will never Happen, They can try, but We the people are not this weak, Want to hear the People’s voice check out “One Nation Under Control”

    Sloan from: One Nation Under Control

  351. Max Kelly

    July 30, 2013 at 9:23 am

    If a piece concerning musicians’ right to perform descends so quickly into a debate about Obama’s citizenship, the idiots have already won.

  352. Tim Cornett

    July 30, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Impromptu (and scheduled) musical gatherings have long been a part of the American way of life.And they should continue to be thus.
    This is outrageous!

  353. Pingback: The Progressive Mind » Homeland Security is Now Regulating Live Entertainment - | Intellihub.com

  354. Snopes is disinformation website

    July 31, 2013 at 12:15 am

    Don’t trust SNOPES as a reliable source of information, it is not. It simply has it’s “writers” write up about stories people are talking about, and then *THEY* somehow think they have the power to claim “true” or “false” with almost no credible evidence to back it up, and PEOPLE BELIEVE IT!!! SNOPES has their own Agenda as much as other mainstream sources like CNN. I’m not saying this article is true or not, I don’t know, but I do know SNOPES is NOT AN ACCURATE SOURCE OF INFORMATION, SO DON’T CITE IT AS A SOURCE!

    • Michael Martin

      July 31, 2013 at 7:53 pm

      My response to Snopes: Read below and you’ll see that http://www.snopes.com/politics/arts/livemusic.asp changed their question to fit their answer. My blog did not say the question they answered. Here is my original post with what I said and all of the answers to all the criticisms, comments and questions. http://iamnotanonymousblog.com/category/music-vs-dept-homeland-security/

      This Friday we have our hearing with The Department of Homeland Security at The Indiana State House in Indianapolis, IN. The DHS does actually say it’s illegal to play live music. They do this through state agencies because there is no federal jurisdiction in every business in a state.

      • The_Enforcer

        August 1, 2013 at 6:04 pm

        “This Friday we have our hearing with The Department of Homeland Security at The Indiana State House in Indianapolis, IN. The DHS does actually say it’s illegal to play live music. They do this through state agencies because there is no federal jurisdiction in every business in a state”

        You do realize that:
        a) Indian DHS is not the same as US DHS
        b) This is a state law only in Indiana
        c) Snopes is far more accurate than you are letting on
        d) Wanting to believe is not the same thing as presenting factual evidence…

        i.e. quit being illiterate and misinformed…. You can’t seem to even read your complaint correctly.

        • Chris

          August 2, 2013 at 1:50 am

          So, because it is ONLY in one state makes it nothing to be concerned about? Interesting perspective. I guess since smoking didn’t cause any lung cancer in everyone who has smoked, it is isn’t a big deal either.

          Yeah, Snopes may be pretty accurate with things, but it’s that 5% that will get you if you are not careful. Everyone has their own agenda, good or bad, but everyone has one.

        • Pat Jed

          January 30, 2014 at 5:41 pm

          John Hill had me fired for asking for justice in death caused by JCS Terry Risner

    • John

      August 1, 2013 at 9:27 pm

      Play the bones,,,, see the drones?

  355. Pingback: Homeland Security in Rural Utah in the Monticello Pioneer Day Parade | The Petroglyph | Wilderness News | Utah News | Rural News | Western News

    • Proof Negative

      August 1, 2013 at 4:13 pm

      I am trying to figure out how a person on a guitar, one on drums, someone playing a clarinet, and someone using a microphone is going to hurt “The Homeland”?

      As a musician and a radio host, I am stunned by this new “law”. Does this mean if I simply talk into a microphone, that I could be breaking a law? What if someone beatboxes without an instrument? Is this a “money grab”, or is this to stop politically charged music?

      I’ll be discussing this on my radio show tonight on http://www.freedomizerradio.com from 6pm-9pm PST. If anyone wants to join in, much appreciated!

  356. Pingback: » The Department of Homeland Security says it is illegal to freely play …

  357. Heather

    November 7, 2013 at 11:38 pm

    U truly created a number of terrific ideas with ur blog, “The Department of Homeland Security says it is illegal to freely play music in The United States.
    | I Am Not Anonymous”. I may wind up coming back
    to ur blog before long. Thank you -Rachel

  358. ALK

    January 11, 2014 at 7:00 pm

    Not a “You can’t have a regular occasionally busking by the front door of your bar or church without getting a licence from the Federal Department of Homeland Security” fee. Or a “you can’t play muzak in your resturant without filling out paperwork for Homeland Security” fee.

    In fact, bars, resturants, and event halls have been complaining about this for a long time; it’s pretty much a fire-marshall’s inspection fee they have to pay whenever they schedule an event or “Friday Night Band Competition” and someone official has to check, either in person or on paper, to ensure everything is in order.

    This sort of thing has been law in most states for a long, long time

    Source: Haele via http://www.democraticunderground.com

    • Michael Martin

      February 17, 2014 at 11:44 pm

      This is true there are laws that have been on the books that were not enforced in this way with restaurants until DHS took over. Though I still believe the length of time a law has been on the books doesn’t make it more or less of a violation of the 1st Amendment. That same logic could be presented for denying women the right to vote if mere time on the books was the basis for law in this country! Thanks for taking the time to read and comment!

  359. link google plus and facebook

    March 25, 2014 at 11:29 pm

    I think everything said was actually very logical.
    However, what about this? what if you were to create a awesome headline?
    I am not saying your content isn’t good, however suppose
    you added a headline to maybe get folk’s attention?
    I mean The Department of Homeland Security says it is illegal to
    freely play music in The United States. | I Am Not Anonymous is
    kinda plain. You could glance at Yahoo’s front page and note how they create post headlines to get viewers
    interested. You might add a video or a picture or two to grab people excited
    about what you’ve got to say. In my opinion, it
    might bring your posts a little livelier.

    • JEREMY BLAIR

      October 11, 2014 at 9:31 pm

      Department of Homeland Security, NSA, Obama all you COMMI muslims can blow me. Thx JEREMY BLAIR MMK/MUNCIE MILITIA KI.*#